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by CodesInChaos 1727 days ago
It'd rather compare the US with Western Europe. Homicide in the US is 5x that of Germany, and 10x that of Norway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

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My point was not to defend the crime rate in the US, but to address a question that a person from Russia asked - why does it sound like living in NYC is like watching some Western movie, whereas the same cannot be said about Moscow?

It sounded strange, because all it takes is a few YouTube searches to witness the level of violence that exists in Russia that far exceeds anything you'll see in the US. Russia really is something else in that regard, and if a Russian felt safer at home than in the US, it's simply a product of exaggerated reporting.

If someone living in Munich said that NYC is more dangerous than what they are used to, I wouldn't disagree with them.

You have never been to Russia and yet feel comfortable saying it is "something else in this regard", basing the statement on a YouTube search.

The average stats are about the same, but that's as useful a number as the average temperature of the patients in a hospital.

For the places a visitor is likely to go, Russia will definitely feel safer. Crime there is largely pushed out of the densely populated city cores and into the outskirts. In the US, it's the opposite. A downtown core looks (and smells) like a dystopia unimaginable to most citizens of the world. People are always shocked at how terrible the world cities that heard about so much look in person.

This comment of yours however does smack of that run of the mill American xenophobia, "all it takes is a few YouTube searches to witness the level of violence that exists in Russia that far exceeds anything you'll see in the US. Russia really is something else in that regard." All it takes is a few YouTube searches to find some really fucked up footage of cops violating Americans' rights every day.
Considering the US is notorious for mass shootings and gun violence, it's not at all surprising that someone would have that view. NYC is a fairly safe place, for now. So is Moscow.
The U.S., however, does not have the demographics of Western Europe.

Just like you can't compare Western Europe to Japan (it is much more violent in comparison, but again, different demographics).

The US is maybe 50% Europe, 30% Latin America, 8% Asia, 12% Africa, and if you look at the UN intentional homicide tables and take the weighted average by continent, you'll end up with an expected intentional homicide rate of about 5 per 100,000, which is right where the US is.

So stop pretending we are Western Europe - we aren't.