[ThePadawan]

(I cannot tell if you're being sarcastic or genuine).

Yes, except (before COVID) if you were at work, and the mail carrier tried to deliver a package to your house unsuccessfully, they would take it with them again. Or they would leave it outside the house, where it could be stolen.

Then, starting the next day, you could go to the nearest pickup site (and depending on the carrier, this either means the post office, which might be a 20min walk, or a completely-out-of-town parcel distribution site, which could be a 1h15 train ride [based on my own location]) to get it.

There, you would take a number, and wait in line up to 15 minutes (because all working people would be there at that time of day).

The alternative is an automated postal box, which does not need an employee to operate it. It's just a huge wall of lockers with a central terminal. When you receive a package there, you get an electronic unlock code to unlock exactly that 1 locker with your package in it.

These postal boxes can be installed anywhere where spare space is available. Maybe that's platform 5 at your nearest train station, or outside the pharmacy in town. At least it's closer to your home, and open 24/7.

[pjc50]

Parcel delivery is such a classic principal-agent problem; the customer contracts with a seller, who then subcontracts with a delivery company. But because there's layers in the middle the delivery companies can't compete on actual customer satisfaction, just on being cheap for the vendors.

[ThePadawan]

I do my best to tell sellers this.

I recently tried to find out where to buy a new mattress online. Usually I get them IKEA and that's fine, but their shipping is so expensive, it's generally only worth it if you boy a whole lot of large items at once.

I talked to the customer repo of another shop to inquire what vendor they used for shipping and what would happen if I wasn't home - and they told me they used DPD.

Turns out that DPD's "we missed you" service is "you have to go to our distribution center to pick up your package". As mentioned above, that would have been a 1h15min train journey (one-way) with multiple changes. Carrying a mattress.

I sincerely hope the customer rep actually understood why I told them that this was an immediate non-starter for me. Especially since I regularly missed packages because the mail carrier simply didn't attempt delivery at all.

[nicoburns]

My experience has been that DPD has by far the best delivery service. Not only can you reschedule delivery for a specific day, but you can do so in advance, or arrange a new address for the package to be delivered to. Perhaps this varies by location?

[ThePadawan]

Of course it does! It's just that in my experience, rearranging delivery details still requires someone in the chain to give a shit.

The delivery person who wouldn't deliver the package on Monday is not going to give a shit if they're instructed to deliver on Tuesday 9am-11am instead, they're going to show up at 4pm and still act like they're doing me a favor.

What am I gonna do? I've already paid for the service, so the seller won't care. DPD won't care, they already got paid by the seller.

[lizknope]

I live in a pretty safe suburb in the United States so I'm fine with packages left at my front door. In 20 years I have never had a package stolen.

For high value packages that require a signature I have them redirected to a UPS or FedEx store 1-2 miles from my house. This can be done by making a UPS or FedEx account which allows you to redirect packages. I can then pick them up after work and the line is never more than 1 or 2 people.

Amazon has recently introduced "Key by Amazon" which allows them to open your garage door and put the packages inside your garage.

https://www.amazon.com/primeinsider/tips/in-garage-qa.html

[ThePadawan]

> I can then pick them up after work and the line is never more than 1 or 2 people.

That's the part that really surprises me. In my experience picking up missed packages from the post office, they're completely empty 90% of the day, but after work, the line is out to the street!

And given that my transaction (present a pick-up slip - wait for employee to find package in the back - sign for package) is mostly trivial, I personally also find it a right waste of time for the postal employee.

[lizknope]

I was specifically talking about picking up packages at FedEx and UPS retail store locations not the USPS (United States Postal Service)

The USPS usually has a line of 5-10 people and takes me 30 minutes but I go there about twice a year.

FedEx and UPS are quick for me.

[ThePadawan]

Oh wow, I totally missed that you were talking about forwarding packages across deliverers. That's wild, but makes sense!

[lizknope]

I don't mean across delivery companies.

When I order something and it is being shipped via FedEx I can login to my FedEx account and see the package tracking info. From there I can redirect the package to one of the multiple FedEx / Kinko's retail stores in my area. Then I walk in show my driver's license and can get my package. This is great if the package requires a signature and I won't be home during the day.

UPS has a similar web site and redirection options.

[ThePadawan]

Oh, I see. That's a lot less useful since there are only two deliverers in my country that have pick-up locations anywhere within cities.

All the others (especially UPS) are way more oriented towards business customers nationwide, so there are basically no sellers using them for B2C shipping.

[jessaustin]

...after work, the line is out to the street!

The nearest post office that stays open past 4:30 PM is 70 miles from my home. I guess that's a way to avoid the problem entirely...

[ThePadawan]

Yes, I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to live in a city.

Both in Switzerland (where I live) and in Germany (where I grew up), more rural postal offices have always struggled to be functional and not complete money sinks.

They have had to either reduce hours, reduce services, or close offices altogether in favor of subcontracting a local mom-and-pop shop to also handle package pick-up and drop-off.