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by danellis 1730 days ago
> No algorithms

I don't like this particular lie. It seems like as soon as we find it acceptable to tell it, we get to choose how complex or user-hostile the algorithm gets to be while still telling the same lie.

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It's kinda like saying that a product contains "no chemicals." There's a truth that people are reaching for, but the language used is deceptive. Clearly, "select * from my_table order by insertion_time" is handled by an algorithm... but it isn't ranking content by hidden metrics, maximizing engagement, etc. that people mean by "algorithm."

When tools are used to do harm, they cease to have neutral meanings. Chemistry is villainized because of DDT; medicine is villainized because of thalidomide, AR-15s are villainized because of mass shootings, etc. Can we expect more nuance of a lay-audience?

This is not a lie. This is a shorthand to quickly convey a meaningful feature. Namely, no algorithmic timeline manipulating what you see.

It’s just that, a timeline.

Next you’ll be telling me that calling something “cool” is a lie, because that new T-shirt doesn’t have a low temperature.

a timeline is an algorithm?

Wait until people start gaming the timeline based algorithm by deleting and re-posting images, so they stay at the top slot.

When does "no algorithm" become an algorithm? When you add ML?

In the common language used these days, "the algorithm" refers to the sorting/reranking companies like Facebook and now Twitter do to attempt to show you posts you're most likely to engage with. I think the vast majority of people reading that Glass has "no algorithm" will understand this.
But it is - sorting by timestamp is certainly an algorithm.
In a world where people nitpick each other to death, sure. Meanwhile, in the real world, language has meaning beyond the literal expression.

And I'm willing to put money on the fact that their target audience understands perfectly what "no algorithm" means. Heck, even the people complaining know what it means, they just like being right.

Also, without an algorithm it's going to be useless. Tik Tok works because the algorithm allows you to find new creators.
Yes, because algorithmic curation is the only form of content discovery...
Algorithm for discovery and algorithm for sorting are two different things as well. I’d love to see recommendations for people to follow. But from those I follow I want a chronological order.