[matheusmoreira]

> This applies to every single crime.

Not really. Crimes are limited by reality. One criminal can only do so much.

With copyright infringement you have insane situations such as over 80% of a country's population being guilty of it. At this point, is it even a crime? More like a local custom.

> Try getting the police or courts to do anything about your stolen bike. They won't.

Maybe in the US. It's rather common here. I have examples in my family. I see it in the news nearly every week: some drug addict steals a phone, police arrests him and the phone is returned to its owner.

> So theft should be legal?

From what you just told me, it looks like it already is.

[knorker]

> Maybe in the US.

Not just the US. In fact I'm not in the US.

>> So theft should be legal.

> From what you just told me, it looks like it already is.

That's not what "legal" means.

[matheusmoreira]

> That's not what "legal" means.

Law is paper. What makes it real is police enforcement, prosecution. If this real stuff is not happening, there is no law.

[knorker]

So now you agree that "ownership" is not inherently real?