[bttger]

> Fully agree on Pandas. R's native data frame + tidyverse is world's easier. Pandas' overly complex indexing system is a persistent source of annoyance no matter how much I use that library.

Is it just the syntax/readability that annoys you, or are there actually problems that need like n steps more to do the same with Pandas?

[chaps]

I spend more time working around panda's strange isms than it takes me to write vanilla python that does the same thing. The index problems are not just a small annoyances, and sometimes can waste hours because of its awkward defaults. For example, its default in df.to_csv to write an index (without a column name..)! It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever that reading a csv, then writing the csv would add a new column. I'm really tired of rerunning pandas code after I forget to turn that stupid default index setting off. Is that a small thing? Sure. But it had tons of small things like that.

[_Wintermute]

It's funny you complain about the index being saved in csv files, which is the default behaviour in R.

[disgruntledphd2]

Not in tidyverse, but yeah indexes in pandas are a souped up version of rownames in base R.