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by tablespoon 1736 days ago
> I'd say there's a clear difference between what they were doing post Deng Xiaoping and what they've been doing since Xi Jinping came to power. It's much more worrying now.

> I remember 15-20 years ago, my friends in China had hope that eventually it would open up but there's no longer any hope there. The few friends who are still outspoken (and are much much more careful than they used to be) now have no hope of this whatsoever.

Yes. I don't think they were ever exactly for liberalization, but Xi took a hard turn against it (and made that policy): https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/20/world/asia/chinas-new-lea....

Liberals (both the American and more classical kind) often seem to assume their ideals will eventually prevail, but nothing guarantees that.

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> Liberals (both the American and more classical kind) often seem to assume their ideals will eventually prevail, but nothing guarantees that.

Same.

History has no single evidence that pure ideology movement can shift public opinion substantially and maintain that change in serious historically meaningful time period (let's say 50 - 100 years).