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Fintech Experts: How is this company doing this?
3 points by homedepotdave 1740 days ago
The company's name (no joke) is "Fintech" (fintech.com). They are the major player in processing alcohol-related payments; i.e., alcohol distributor A uploads an invoice for a few kegs retailer B bought, and Fintech processes the payment for them. They process 33M alcohol invoices a year.

I can't figure out how they are doing it. They refer everywhere to EFTs which, to my understanding, is ambiguous. Parts of their service agreement (e.g., [1]) talk about ACH, but their marketing (see example below [2]) states very explicitly that the funds don't go through them, it goes straight from Retailer's account to Distributor's account, which I didn't think was possible with ACH (for a third party to initiate an ACH between two other parties). It seems unlikely to be wire because they offer the service for free and wires are expensive.

A competitor, iControl, which I assume is using the same process because Fintech sued them for stealing IP, claims that "Our special banking arrangements and transaction volume allows funds to immediately clear a distributor’s bank account, same as a wire, but without the banks charging the distributor a fee for receiving a wire." [3] Wtf?

What are they doing?? Thanks everyone, I really just can't figure it out.

[1] https://test.fintech.net/fintech-electronic-services-disclosure.asp?Type=Retailer

[2] "Through EFT, each invoice payment is made automatically with funds moved directly from the retailer’s account to the distributors through the Federal Reserve. The distributor uploads an invoice, and the exact invoice amount is paid on the due date listed on the invoice without Fintech ever taking title of the funds." https://fintech.com/blog/touch-free-alcohol-invoice-payment-options-what-retailers-need-to-know-about-escrow-ach-and-eft/

[3] https://www.icontroldata.net/blog/how-eft-payment-processing-with-icontrol-can-improve-your-business

1 comments

Really great post from Modern Treasury. They are crushing it.

My only question with this explanation is -- to be a 3rd party service provider, this means they would need a somewhat intense bank integration with 1 side of the ACH, right? The retailers definitely just fill out an ACH release form like [1], and I really think the distributors don't do a heavy bank integration either...

[1] https://burkedist.com/application/files/3314/8823/3226/Burke...

They probably use Fedwire, and you are not correct that the service is free, look at https://fintech.com/contact/ under "How much does Fintech cost?"
Interesting... I don't know much about Fedwire, I will check it out. Thanks YuriNiyazov!

And yes sorry it's not free, just relatively cheap -- I think it's $200/year and $1 per transaction, which doesn't seem like enough to cover traditional wires.

These are the fedwire fees:

https://www.frbservices.org/resources/fees/wires-2021.html

All fees under $1

Alright yuriniyazov, I’ve been reading for hours about Fedwire but I’m still a bit stumped. To participate directly in Fedwire you need to have a Master account with the Fed, in which case you need to basically be a bank. So they… have a secret subsidiary that’s a bank that has a fed master account? Or somehow a very, very good relationship with their bank such that their bank (which has a master account) proxies the Fedwire transactions for them at cost?