[buddylw]

Security has always been relative. I feel much safer knowing that an exploit like this is worth hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars.

It keeps them closely guarded and selective about use. All of that makes me an unlikely target and reduces individual risk.

[heavyset_go]

> I feel much safer knowing that an exploit like this is worth hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars.

I don't. Look at how much companies like Apple pay out for responsible disclosure if they pay out at all, and then compare it to what exploits go for on the grey/black market. Typically the buyers have deep pockets and burning millions of dollars wouldn't make them blink.

[dkokelley]

Why does it matter if it’s the “good guys” or “bad guys” paying?

If a vulnerability only cost ~$100 then a malicious person could compromise an ex lover’s phone, for example. The fact that they are expensive means that their use is limited to targeted, strategic attacks. You don’t have to agree that those attacks are good, but surely pricing the average person out of 0-days is better than the alternative.

[heavyset_go]

> The fact that they are expensive means that their use is limited to targeted, strategic attacks.

There are organized crime networks that pull in billions of dollars of revenue a year. If they wanted to pull off dragnet fraud, for example, they have the funds to do so.

[dylan604]

>Why does it matter if it’s the “good guys” or “bad guys” paying?

Who do you think are more likely to use the vuln/exploit on regular everyday users? The nation state people are going to use it on targeted persons/groups (typically) while the "bad guys" are going to use it so they get the greatest bang for their buck.

[Aerroon]

Or the nation state uses it against everyone in a dragnet operation? Also, specifically targeted people by nation states often are "regular everyday users". They just happened to draw the ire of the wrong person.

[madeofpalk]

But still, I feel relatively safe knowing/thinking that the Saudi government doesn’t want to hack my iPhone.

[heavyset_go]

Organized crime might, as they orchestrate fraud, blackmail etc networks all over the world.

[gitanovic]

It makes me wonder how people like Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos use for their phone security.

For sure they are much more interesting targets than I am, therefore burning a few 0-days might be worth the effort.

[thinkharderdev]

Wasn't Bezos phone hacked by the Saudis?

[gitanovic]

oh didn't know that