[vgel]

This happened to a friend of mine. "Friend" of theirs who was angry they didn't have a romantic interest in him called the police claiming they were suicidal. Police came, handcuffed them, verbally abused them, and dragged them to a hospital against their will even though they were clearly fine. They were forced to stay there for ~a day and then had no means to get home, thankfully a friend was able to pick them up and drive them home from the hospital.

No consequences for the guy, of course.

[tornato7]

Something similar happened to a friend of mine and you can find plenty of stories on the internet - the way suicidal people are treated by the police is actually cruel and I can't imagine it helps anyone who is really feeling suicidal.

My buddy got arrested, restrained to a hospital bed against his will, was given a cocktail of drugs, and had to stay there multiple days while getting a 'wellness check' every fifteen minutes where a nurse shakes you awake.

To top it all off they sent him home with a $60,000 medical bill.

Not a great way to treat someone who's going through a hard time. I definitely learned never to call the police unless someone is literally getting ready to jump off a building.

[chillwaves]

> I definitely learned never to call the police unless someone is literally getting ready to jump off a building.

This is an important lesson. Do not call the police unless you literally just want them to remove a nuisance and you don't care what happens to the person or how they are dealt with. Even then, police are just a wild card with the potential for life altering outcomes.

My brother called the police once because his then girlfriend was acting really crazy/violent after a night out drinking (not the first time) and they almost arrested HIM.

[ipaddr]

Calling police is rolling the dice on a range of possible outcomes often times putting you in the crosshairs and rarely resulting in what you would expect.

[AQuantized]

Wow, that sounds like a good way to make someone suicidal even if they weren't to begin with.

[Clubber]

>the way suicidal people are treated by the police is actually cruel

The way people are treated by the police is actually cruel. If you dug into it you would be ill.

[thaumasiotes]

> while getting a 'wellness check' every fifteen minutes where a nurse shakes you awake.

Actually, speaking of practices that are implemented for the convenience of administrators rather than the benefit of the patient...

There is a popular belief that, if you have a head injury, you must stay awake because losing consciousness is dangerous. This is completely false. Your urge to sleep reflects the fact that that is what's healthiest for you. If (1) you are caring for someone with a head injury, (2) they want to sleep, and (3) you have no means of addressing a very serious problem such as massive internal bleeding, you should let them sleep, because that is their best chance to recover.

It is, however, absolutely true that, if you have a head injury, 911 will tell whoever is caring for you to make sure that you remain conscious, and if you're already in a hospital, the staff will do their best to ensure you remain conscious. This is not because staying conscious is good for you. It is because they are relying on an index of how severe your injury is ("is he behaving oddly?") which only applies if you're conscious. Everyone who's unconscious is behaving normally.

[MertsA]

If the patient is conscious and starts exhibiting symptoms indicative of a medical emergency then there's the possibility of treating it. If they're unconscious you might not know about it until you start seeing cardiac or respiratory symptoms, at which point you've already waited too late and they could die, be left in a comatose state, or suffer from brain damage. How is improving the odds of preventing that not "for the benefit of the patient"?

[XorNot]

"convenience" is a hell of a word to use here when the alternative is that medical professionals would have no way to know if your condition is worsening. Which is to say, if you want to sleep you can basically just go home for all the good they'll be able to do.

If it's inconvenient to you then you always have the option of checking out of the hospital whenever you want: you are always (except in psychiatric hold cases) able to sign a form saying you understand it may be Against Medical Advice and want to leave.

[thaumasiotes]

> the alternative is that medical professionals would have no way to know if your condition is worsening.

There are other ways; they are more expensive, less accurate, and possibly more dangerous to the patient, but they exist.

But if you go back and read my comment again, you'll see that I'm talking about the popular belief that losing consciousness is detrimental to the patient. It isn't; it is beneficial. The doctor may have good reason to keep the patient awake anyway, because, if the patient suddenly starts to die, he might be able to do something about it.

But if you are not in that situation -- if there's nothing you can do if your injured friend suddenly starts to die -- then you should not be trying to keep your friend awake.

[bregma]

Why on Earth would the police be considered the appropriate service to deal with this situation? There is no overlap between paramilitary law enforcement and social services.

This is where calls for defunding the police come in. Take some of the money spent on using physical force on those whose thoughts do not conform to social norms and use it on a more appropriate agency. We no longer regularly physically restrain and torture the mentally ill in treatment settings. Why do we insist on funding other institutions to do so?