[Hunter235711]

I am not anti-vax, but I STRONGLY oppose this vaccine mandate. Looking at the CDC data here: (https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex...) there have been 3,043 covid deaths in the 18-29 year range out of 103,738 total deaths in that same age range.

I'm 29 and in good health. I know I'm much more likely to die from activities I enjoy like rock climbing, farm work, skydiving, driving my car, but I don't wan't my employer mandating I can't do those things. I have weighed the risks. I want to get covid eventually if I haven't already for better protection against future variants that could have worse survival rates for my age range (https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...) If I were older, I would choose to get the vaccine.

Also, people will say that I'm going to spread it to others. Well the CDC states that "preliminary evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people who do become infected with the delta variant can spread the virus to others" and recommends they wear masks! (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac...) I suspect that if I get covid and quarantine, I'll be less likely to spread the delta variant than someone who is vaccinated after I recover (people who have had been vaccinated are 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with covid according to the science.org article I linked above)

[kbos87]

There are so many conveniently chosen facts and holes in your argument that I don’t even know where to begin.

The CDC dataset you cite above only reflects death, not the serious illness and disability ~30% of people end up with.

Yes, vaccinated individuals can spread COVID, but this is dramatically less likely if you are vaccinated.

You assume you’ll be less likely to spread delta because you’ll quarantine, but you ignore the fact that much of the transmission we see is from asymptomatic spread, before people even know they are sick.

All of the mental gymnastics, for what? Getting vaccinated is barely even an inconvenience and we have real proof from hundreds of millions of doses that it’s safe and effective.

The selfishness and unwillingness to cooperate for the greater good is mind blowing.

[spookthesunset]

Who cares about covid spread? We have vaccines that protect you and anybody who takes them. Covid spread doesn't matter. It's here forever. Not going away.

If you get your shot, you are done. Stop worrying about the vaccination status or mask-wearing status of others. You are gonna get covid either way. But at least you won't have a chance of being hospitalized or dying.

Covid is here forever. We need to switch our messaging to learning to live with that and moving on with our lives. All this crap does is keep everybody living in fear and dividing us even more. End it!

[freemint]

> Who cares about covid spread? We have vaccines that protect you and anybody who takes them.

People who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons. People for which the vaccine doesn't work. People who care about people who won't vaccinate. People in hospitals who have to take care for infected/sickened people.

Some people care.

[Madmallard]

Show the evidence that young adults are getting severe long term effects 30% of the time from covid.

[kbos87]

I didn’t say young adults, though there is mounting evidence that even children can and do suffer from long term effects.

For anyone who doubts the prevalence of long COVID, it isn’t hard to find the growing pile of credible research -

The University to Arizona study is recent, and while it wasn’t an age specific study they cite 67% of people having symptoms after 30 days - https://news.arizona.edu/story/many-mild-covid-19-infections...

Chest CTs are abnormal in 75% of asymptomatic(!) COVID diagnosed individuals - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846889/

This is a year old, but for 18-34 year olds it cites 1 in 5 hadn’t returned to their usual state of health 2-3 weeks out… https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm...

[piva00]

It's not about you dying. It's about you catching it, passing it to someone who might need to be hospitalised and fucking up the whole healthcare system.

Stop thinking with your ego.

[unanswered]

The vaccine does not stop you from catching the virus and spreading it. This has been settled science for months and months. Stop spreading disinformation.

[ImPostingOnHN]

  >if I get covid and quarantine

how will you know you've been EXPOSED?

will you indeed quarantine yourself per CDC recommendations if you find out you have been exposed?

how will you know you've been INFECTED?

will you indeed ISOLATE yourself per CDC recommendations if you find out you have been infected?

[zaptrem]

Saying “I’m not anti-vax” before parroting every anti-vax talking point and admitting you’re not vaccinated doesn’t make you any less of an anti-vaxxer.