[badRNG]

Jesus Christ that thread is a mess...

> Is this really a common thing people do? Take nude photos and leave them in the phone?

> It amazes me that people take photos of themselves naked. They will be leaked eventually.

I mean, I expected victim-blaming here on this site, but to the degree to feign surprise that people use the devices they own and control to live lives that include a sexual dimension is a new level of ridiculousness.

[onedognight]

She did not own or control this device. According to article it was a work phone.

[omgwtfbyobbq]

I'm pretty sure she controlled it.

[KingOfCoders]

As soon as Apple enables scanning, no one controls their iPhone anymore.

[geofft]

The whole context here is that Apple strongly discourages its employees from having a separate work and personal phone.

[spacedcowboy]

Which, as an Apple employee, is bollocks. I did a quick straw-poll of people I know at Apple - everyone had both work and personal appleids. I asked because I saw the reporting about how “Apple dont let you have separate ids”, and I have had separate ids for the best part of two decades.

Perhaps it’s a new policy, thought I, but that turned out not to be the case either. Both old and new employees routinely kept life at home separate from life at work, because presumably they see the benefits of that.

I’ve got a personal phone, and I’ve got 5 or 6 work phones/I-devices. I’ve got a personal apple-ID which still uses @mac.com, and I’ve got several @icloud.com accounts I use for testing.

[smegger001]

You know, If my job tried to actively discourage me from having a two separate phones while retaining the right to search a work phone. I would take that as a warning to absolutely keep two devices and not let them touch my personal device.

[nikau]

Work managed workstations can log every process and command you run on them.

All work IM and emails you send are recorded.

Every URL you visit from your work machine is logged using NTLM auth discovered user name.

Think about all that information and what your employer could take out of context.

Keep your work and personal life separate regardless of the company.

[smegger001]

exactly. work is for work devices. personal is personal devices and try to keep the contact between them as small as possible

[jacquesm]

It would be an encouragement to find another employer.

[emma-w]

Wait what? Really? Why?

[blondin]

no that's not true. someone who said they were working for apple contradicted that fact in the other thread.

i personally find the claims weird and have never seen it anywhere. my experience is that some employees choose to use company devices as personal devices. or personal accounts as company accounts, etc.

again, the way things are today, i don't expect many apple employees to come forward and tell us the way things are.

[khazhoux]

In what world is it a good idea to take nude selfies on the same device that you use to take pictures of the whiteboard after technical meetings? A device that will be full of internal apps (to connect to Apple VPN, to see shuttle schedules, internal bug tracker, daily menus) not to mention the device that contains all your work emails, all your work contacts, and all your work events.

Pro-tip: don't take a picture of your tickly parts on a device that is one mis-click away from sharing to your entire team.

And don't freak out when you have to turn over your phone, untouched, if it's required for legal retention. In fact, retention policy is part of the mandatory training -- she knew what might happen with that device, but just ignored it.

[josefx]

> but to the degree to feign surprise that people use the devices they own and control to live lives that include a sexual dimension is a new level of ridiculousness.

The company I work for made it outright clear that while I could unlock my privately owned phone for business access, they would take complete control of it and install monitoring software in order to protect company data. I would have lost any pretense of privacy if I signed up to that without getting myself a second, non-business, phone. I didn't sign up since it just would have reduced my free time even more, but I know plenty of people with separate business and private phones.

The only surprising thing would be if apple wasn't just as upfront about the complete lack of privacy involved with a company phone.

[iD0it4thedrUgz]

This is incorrect. The photos ended up on the phone because she synced her personal iCloud.

[Grustaf]

Would you store nude photos of yourself on your company laptop?

[refurb]

On a company phone? You’d have to be nuts to do that.

[chadcmulligan]

Indeed, I discussed this with a couple of people and their reaction was the same.

[_3u10]

It hasn’t been established that she’s a victim of anything. Sounds more like accuser blaming.

[_3u10]

Wait til they find out that people take these photos with intention to send them to those they are fond of.

[lliamander]

Most of the normal, non-techie folks I have talked to about this find the idea of taking nudes as scandalous and wouldn't take the risk.

I don't have a strong moral objection to using personal computing devices in that manner, but I think many people are nervous about the risks.

[badRNG]

>Most of the normal, non-techie folks I have talked to about this find the idea of taking nudes as scandalous and wouldn't take the risk.

Damn near every person I've ever met in my age group who has used a smartphone or computer has used it for every aspect of their personal lives to include the sexual parts of their lives. There is an expectation of privacy that average folks have on their devices. It's where they search for their most sensitive medical information, search for relationship advice, watch porn, and explore their curiosities without censorship.

I'm not sure where you are finding these puritan self-censoring non-techies who treat their devices as open books, but I've certainly never met them.

[elzbardico]

Heck, I am a male, over forty, and there are nudes of me in my phone. Sad to find out I am not normal!

[lliamander]

> Damn near every person I've ever met in my age group who has used a smartphone or computer has used it for every aspect of their personal lives to include the sexual parts of their lives...I'm not sure where you are finding these puritan self-censoring non-techies who treat their devices as open books, but I've certainly never met them.

Wow, you (and plenty of other people) seem awfully defensive at the idea that not every social group shares the same norms as the groups you belong to. I wasn't even making a normative claim (or at least not a very strong one) just a personal observation.

I agree that smartphones are intensely personal devices, and that people should have a reasonable expectation of privacy. But there's more to be concerned about than just what corporations or governments can do by following the rules. I would say the average person who doesn't take nudes might be just as concerned about an angry ex, or "hackers", or just accidentally bringing them up while they show someone pictures of their new house (or whatever) as they are about Apple or the USG.

They might not even have a specified threat model, they might just really nervous about the idea of those pictures being shared forever on the internet.

[tcmart14]

I think it is a perception vs reality. I think you are right, but the key point is, many people won't admit they've used their phones in the manner. But just because they say that does not mean it is truth.

[refurb]

This is a company phone.

[emptyparadise]

The company also heavily pushes you towards using that corporate phone.

[refurb]

Huh? It’s a company phone. If they push you to use it, that’s why they have it to you.

If you have naked pictures of yourself on your corporate phone that’s 100% your fault.

[dgellow]

Do we have proofs that’s the case? (I.e: that Apple pushes to use same account for work and private life) That has been repeated multiple times but I haven’t seen something that could confirm it.

[SV_BubbleTime]

That’s another way to write can not prevent you from having a personal phone and using that one for intimate things.

[zarzavat]

How old are your friends? For younger generations it would be weird not to have nudes on your phone.

[lliamander]

Early thirties on average. I'm young enough that sending nudes on phones was a thing (if not necessarily a big thing) in high school.

The thing is, if someone has nudes of you on their phone, there's a non-zero chance those nudes will end up on the Internet. Maybe you like your odds, but plenty of people dont.

[knaik94]

Most of the normal, non-techie folks I know use non end to end encrypted chats to send nudes. I had to convince them whatsapp was better than snapchat. Maybe people have different feelings based on if they grew up with technology.

[makeitdouble]

To note, nudes don't need to be sexual. Someone dieting and taking naked photos every day would be a normal thing to do, for instance.

There must thousands of other reasons someone could take nude photos of themselves on devices they assume only them has access to.

[lallysingh]

Yet they wouldn't be surprised that the devices are used to download nudes of others! There's a consumer-only angle here that's interesting.