[cujo]

> Now, we will likely add further controls on travel in the form of digital health passports with infinitely more possibility for government mischief.

How do you see digital health passports as having infinitely more possibility for govt mischief? Right now TSA has the ability to treat you like a criminal if they think you looked at them funny.

The health passport "mischief" seems more along the lines of "you don't have vaccine X, so you can't board the plane." While potentially problematic, that's kind of the end of it. It becomes a no-fly list, but one where you can actually control your status on it.

[ctrlp]

Well, YOU may not have a problem complying with every government mandated health intervention required of you to travel, but others might. Oddly, lots of people on HN seem not to view compulsion as a form of force when it's cloaked in paternalism, while at the same time believing the most indirect forms of social influence as oppressive forms of institutional violence if the 'right' people are impacted.

Putting that aside, it's fairly obvious given the human taboos concerning disease that if you have a mechanism for flagging a person as non-compliant with a health policy, that person is effectively tagged as diseased by implication. This is a convenient way to unperson members of a political class who are non-compliant with the policy (e.g., for personal/political/scientific/ethical/religious reasons). You needn't eliminate the enemy when their opposition to your power is embodied in their non-compliance. You merely need to make them compliant to eliminate their opposition.

[cartoonworld]

The nature of the informal implementation of this stuff renders it so toothless, enforcement in whatever form we may see will be pretty permeable. The current CDC cards are trivial to print out on basically any laser printer. ("I have a heart condition so I can't", "heres a picture on my phone"). If you don't have a vaccine you probably just will need to have a test and a temp. screening for the most part.

However the comparison to TSA is not apt. TSA threat model is: One "terrorist" (though I'd call them "premeditated mass murderers") executing its plan is the total failure. For the vaccine requirements, the threat model is much different. Even if you just don't bother with any of this stuff on %5 of flights, it will still have a great impact in reducing the frequency of aerospace super-spreader events.

Sars-CoV-2 infects a lot of people every day, whereas there are many, many days in a row where no terrorists bother to board a domestic flight.

[itchyjunk]

Is it under your control? Say you do have the vaccines but get to the airport and find out you are on a no fly list. Is that issue trivially easy to fix? From some of the post I've read here, it's a black box system with very little standard process to help you get out of it. Filing law suite isn't easy[0].

[0] https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/michigan-father-wrongly-...

[pessimizer]

It certainly may be, but it doesn't inherently have to be. Kids need vaccinations to go to school (I mean pre-Wakefield and that blond lady from Playboy who married a Backstreet Boy whose name escapes me), the way you proved it was to show your documents that you got from your doctor.

[selimthegrim]

Jenny McCarthy?