[n8cpdx]

People have been talking about the Apple TV for many, many years. This actually sounds like a stronger case for Apple not making a car.

> can we make a version of this product that is differentiated enough to be meaningful in the market?

FWIW, I think the answer is 'No', unlike e.g. AR glasses or smartphones pre-2007.

Heck, Apple TV and the homepod each are struggling relative to competitors and apple really hasn't delivered anything innovative in those spaces. Aside from truly wireless headphones, I can't think of any successful apple product that isn't primarily a computer.

[enos_feedler]

We'll see. Just because people talk about products and they haven't come to light yet doesn't mean they won't. In fact, its probably more likely that people are just a bit wrong on the timing and not wrong altogether. If there has been talk of cars and tvs for so long, chances are they will make their way out the door at some point. Same went for the phone, ipad, etc.

[vineyardmike]

> If there has been talk of cars and tvs for so long, chances are they will make their way out the door at some point.

I've never heard any rumors after maybe 2010 of an apple TV product that isn't a set top box.