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by ridethebike 1747 days ago
This probably eliminates this whole "bitcoin is privacy and independence from government" thing but I think for majority of bitcoin buyers it was not more than just a nice talking point anyway.
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> privacy

From the original bitcoin white paper:

> The traditional banking model achieves a level of privacy by limiting access to information to the parties involved and the trusted third party. The necessity to announce all transactions publicly precludes this method, but privacy can still be maintained by breaking the flow of information in another place: by keeping public keys anonymous.

Salvadorians can transfer their BTC to a tumbling service then to a an anonymous public key.

> independence from government

As soon as you transfer the BTC out of the wallet, you'll be independent from the government.

You are not required to use the government provided wallet if you don't need the $30 handout.

Ok, good points
The majority of Bitcoin buyers don’t appear to be interested in its use as currency at all from what I’ve seen.
Only when using the government wallet though. I imagine people will have multiple, just like how we already have multiple debit cards, credit cards, online payment apps...
The best argument for Bitcoin is that it’s not created out of thin air and then lent to people with interest, IMO.
Sure, it's created out of hot air and instead of interest you have crazy transaction fees.
Paid to whom? If it was created out of hot air, it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than it is now.
BTC is quite literally made out of hot air. Burning coal to create hot air to spin turbines is the most common energy source for BTC mining. And "hot air" describes most of it's coals replacements as well.
And yet it still costs far less energy to mine Bitcoin than it does to sustain Petrodollars.
Yes, if in your analysis digging up fossil fuels to power the entire world infrastructure is just a side effect of sustaining the currency's core value. Good thing cars, airplanes and shipping have as much intrinsic value as waste heat.
Do you have data for that comparison?
The entire world economy runs on fiat dollars.
100% BULLSHIT. The fees on Bitcoin, on chain, have been less than 75 cents the entire year of 2021. The average tx on chain the past 9 months has been about 10-15 cents. Unless you stand here trying to tell everyone that 10 cents is a crazy transaction fee. Quit lying, or better yet quit spreading FUD purposely.
So today, the low priority (and for the past few weeks) has been sitting at 6-7 satoshi per vByte. If you do not understand and watch the blocks to realize you can simply set to around 3-4 sats/vB and get in within 2-3 blocks when a block comes along with merely a few hundred transactions in it, sure you're going to pay about 65-75 cents. But I'll pay 10 cents and still get in, while you pay 75 cents. It's not zealotry to tell the truth about using Bitcoin regularly and those that use Bitcoin all understand the fees have been 10-75 cents max all year long. My own sources don't back me up? Anyone using Bitcoin at least once or twice per week the past solid 9 months can attest that transaction fees have been floating from 3-8 sats/vB and you can comb through ALL the blocks you want to figure it out. Or don't figure it out. You're here to spread FUD quite clearly, anyhow.

The fee was NEVER once $62 per tx in ALL of April, I sent numerous transactions all that month long for mere cents.

https://mempool.space/ https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-median_transact...

And considering I use Bitcoin frequently, and I'm constantly, on a weekly basis sending on chain for 5 cents, 10 cents max. I'm in within a couple blocks, every single time. You are straight up spreading FUD.

> 100% BULLSHIT. The fees on Bitcoin, on chain, have been less than 75 cents the entire year of 2021. The average tx on chain the past 9 months has been about 10-15 cents.

By your own sources your original claims don't hold up. So much for "100% BULLSHIT". Please stop with the zealotry, it makes the entire space look foolish.

Let's look at your claims again:

> The fees on Bitcoin, on chain, have been less than 75 cents the entire year of 2021.

The average transaction fee on April 21st was $62.779. You are wrong.

> The average tx on chain the past 9 months has been about 10-15 cents.

Clearly wrong. The data you cite is the median transaction fee, not the average transaction fee. For the lowest median transaction fee the chart shows 22.9 cents. Even that is above your claimed 10-15 cents.

Good for you that you spent less on your transaction, doesn't change the data though.

Source?
Bitcoin is created out of thin air. Where do you think bitcoins come from?