[tejohnso]

> after 2030

Why is it always in the future? We have ALREADY, REPEATEDLY, delayed action and we are CURRENTLY experiencing challenges in both economic and societal feasibility.

Just look at the previous commitments and how far off we are. For example https://unfccc.int/news/climate-commitments-not-on-track-to-...

We've heard previously that we would have to make changes by 2010 to have a decent chance, and before that it was by 2000, and before that it was by 1980. No matter how many red line dates we pass, there's always another created. I suppose there's always a worse situation that we'll be in by some future date while we continue to do nothing, but in that case choosing a date is completely arbitrary as every second that passes is worse than the previous.

[genewitch]

the 1980 one is a bit disingenuous though, as climate scientists believed that we were going to move into an ice age unless we did something to stop it.

I'm probably wrong, though.