[xedarius]

At this point I feel unsurpringly betrayed. As others have pointed out there is no going back. With little to no visibility on what the phone, the ipad, the mac-mini is doing, are they safe? I hear there's no device level scanning, has that been confirmed by someone other than Apple?

What are you guys also doing? Is there a website that helpfully details how to get yourself out of the eco system?

I can tell you what I have done so far, but it's very much work in progress.

- Removed all photos from iCloud and turn off all iCloud stuff.

- Backup up phones to my mac (encrypted), will transfer to nextcloud and NAS.

- Built a NAS and now storing photos there - looking at. running PhotoPrism, but haven't made that work yet.

- Transfered useful cloudstuff to Hetzner's NextCloud hosted. and enabled E2EE on certain folders.

- I use NordVPN but I always have done.

I realise it's a lot of effort to go to so I can privately store a pictures of me eating an ice cream in Rome ... but as we all know that's not really the point.

[matheusmoreira]

> With little to no visibility on what the phone, the ipad, the mac-mini is doing, are they safe?

No. You can't trust proprietary software. Even if it's not doing anything bad now, that could change tomorrow.

All this Apple polish is a mirage that distracts us from the truly important stuff. Real computing is built on top of open software. Software that works for us instead of them. In the end that's the only thing we can actually put some trust in.

[abacadaba]

Ya but now you're flagged as someone who has something to hide, possibly trying to clear off devices before the change was implemented.

Hmm maybe that's their game. You don't need to scan, just need to see who deleted all their photo's over the last few days. A higher than random hit rate I'd guess.

[planet-and-halo]

I'd rather be flagged as someone who gives a shit about privacy and autonomy than passively accept the further degradation of those things. If we all treat this as a tragedy-of-the-commons situation and impotently accept whatever these companies do in order not to raise a fuss and draw attention to ourselves, then the future is inevitable and the world will go further down this path than it already has. The presumption of guilt is fucking ridiculous and I won't be a party to it, nor will I run and hide.

[willis936]

And what about all the people like me: imminently following the same path but never having used iCloud photos?

You're suggesting they are faking one violation of the 4th amendment for a much more egregious violation of the 4th amendment. They (AAPL) have nothing to gain by doing this.

[abacadaba]

Just sayin, it's not a _completely_ unimaginable situation. If the FBI was somehow able to access to those delete logs..

Anecdotal: One year my brother was coming back from spring break and there was a sign that said "drug checkpoint 1 mile." right before an exit. Everyone that got off at the exit got searched.

[willis936]

I agree that it's a very likely tactic if Apple and the TLAs are conspiring together. In my mind those two parties have very disparate goals.