[tyrfing]

One large brown delivery company also rarely drug tests. Drivers of school buses, semi trucks, and similar have federally mandated drug testing, non-CDL delivery drivers don't. Particularly when liability is transferred to contractors, the surprising part is that this wasn't the encouraged policy from the start.

Also, any shortage is entirely self inflicted from offering poor wages.

[ghoward]

> Drivers of school buses, semi trucks, and similar have federally mandated drug testing, non-CDL delivery drivers don't.

False, at least where I am.

I learned to drive school bus, and they drug tested my class before we were allowed to test, and every month, there were random drug tests.

I quit after 1.5 days because of the stress and the constant push to get kids to school on time over safety.

[ghoward]

I thought I would reply to myself and admit that I read the quote wrong. The quote is correct.

[MeinBlutIstBlau]

That delivery company also has a union which could've been negotiated for.

[gruez]

>Also, any shortage is entirely self inflicted from offering poor wages.

Yeah! All the millennials who can't buy a home are just self-inflected by not bidding high enough! Government policy certainly didn't' contribute to either!

[ineedasername]

There's a difference: Amazon can pay more. As you said, the millennials can't. If there's a millennial out there flush with cash but didn't get the house they wanted despite having $$$ more than needed, then yes-- that would be their own choice. Just like it's Amazon's choice to live with a driver shortage if they can pay more but won't.

Based on their 2020 profits, they can pay more. $20B in profits, 170,000 deliverers worldwide. They could take 10% of that and pay those folks an average of about $10,000 more/year.

They have the money, so if their business suffers at all as a result of too few drivers, then it's absolutely self-inflicted.

[gruez]

>There's a difference: Amazon can pay more. As you said, the millennials can't. Just like it's Amazon's choice to live with a driver shortage if they can pay more but won't.

But GP was talking about "any shortage", not just amazon's shortage. For the sake of argument I'll let that slide. I'm sure millennials can pay more. It just would involve uncomfortable sacrifices, and most people don't think that's not worth the trade-off for going from renting to owning. Likewise, amazon would like more delivery drivers, but isn't desperate enough to actually raise wages and/or improve working conditions.

>Based on their 2020 profits, they can pay more. $20B in profits, 170,000 deliverers worldwide. They could take 10% of that and pay those folks an average of about $10,000 more/year.

You forgot to include the cost of capital.

[vidarh]

> But GP was talking about "any shortage", not just amazon's shortage.

And followed it by arguing they could just raise wages, which makes it clear the "any" is within the context of at least talking about employers, and quite likely specifically talking about Amazon

You're being obtuse.

> Likewise, amazon would like more delivery drivers, but isn't desperate enough to actually raise wages and/or improve working conditions.

In other words, they've made a choice.

[gruez]

>And followed it by arguing they could just raise wages

>In other words, they've made a choice.

Did you skip the rest of the comment about how millennials can pay more, but choose not to?

[vidarh]

Yes, I skipped it because it had no relevance whatsoever to the point of the original comment you replied to, because, as I pointed out, it's clear from context that it talked about Amazon's shortage, not any general form of shortage.

My reply above made that clear, so again you're being obtuse.

[ineedasername]

You forgot to include the cost of capital.

No, that's why I included the stipulation "if their business suffers at all as a result of too few drivers"

Sure, they're not going to pay drivers more if those increased costs exceed the losses they'd suffer from a delivery shortage.