[risk000]

>The fundamental failure of this logic of trying to go somewhere and built a new city to escape the policy failures of the old city, is that those conflicts are intrinsic problems of large scale human organization. If you bring people, you bring the politics.

That seems like a really jaded view. To my mind there are millions of ways to organize human societies. The more experimentation the better. You're acting like nothing new can ever happen in this area, and I just don't buy that.

[nradov]

There have been a lot of experiments already. Most of them have failed and left the experimenters worse off. But sure people are welcome to keep trying.

What annoys the rest of us is the hubris and overconfidence. The experimenters usually falsely label those of us who disagree with their "vision" as fools who can't see the future.