| > Either deliberately, though in-attention or personal need you, are mis-interpreting and or changing the subject. I don't think I was doing either. If I was, please explain what exactly you were saying and what I mis-interpreted. My understanding is this: 1. China is authoritarian.
2. They make laws that benefit themselves (i.e. CCP) without care for the populace (populace benefit is secondary)
3. Democracy is corrupt.
4. However, even if corrupt, it's better since it is not equal to China's system where the laws are made mostly out of interest for the CCP. This was my interpretation. However, as I said, the evidence is the other way around. 1. China is authoritarian -> Sure. 2. They make laws that benefit themselvse ahead of the populace. Poverty in 1990 -> 750 million. Poverty in 2016 -> 7.2 million. That's World Bank figures. Not China figures. Clearly, either they had policies actually aimed at benefiting the populace or the laws that benefit CCP also align extremely well with the populace. In which case, we should learn from them since aligning incentives for politicians and populace is a pretty insane trick. 3. Democracy is corrupt. Democracy is not just corrupt. It is corrupt in a way that makes the voice of the citizen entirely useless. Democracy does not represent your views if you live in America at least. 4. However, even if corrupt, it's better since it is not equal to China's system where the laws are made mostly out of interest for the CCP. Economic elites and the organized interest groups group control America. Not the average person. > There is no good way to assert that, but it's a pretty common refrain. What? World Bank figures should that China has pulled massive amounts of people out of poverty, and increased their Quality of Life. Public Legitimacy seems clear since there aren't mass protests (Hong Kong showed that it is certainly possible). Forget that. Just fly to Beijing. It's arguably more modern than most Western cities and talking to people will show you how their lives have changed. I genuinely don't understand how you're denying the economic miracle that the CCP has engineered. > You could just be an interested observer, passionate about seemingly connected ideas. Or you could be deliberately derailing, trying to muddy the waters. I am the first one. I don't understand how I derailed? Or how you thought that happened? Either you entirely misunderstood me, or just have no interest in actually talking about the discussion? > There's no good way to tell, but ultimately it still paints China in a bad light - eventually no one will believe anything. I mean, again, you can literally dismiss every argument that goes against your preconceived notions and pretend that the other is a shill but that's a very weird way to live in my opinion. It's more better to actually critically analyse what the other says and break it down or agree with them. If your goal is to see China in a bad light, it doesn't matter what I say. You will see them that way. This is what I meant by drinking the Kool_Aid too much. (Not limited to Americans but the entire Western sphere) |