[ericmay]

But is China better than Norway? Or New Zealand? Or Switzerland?

The US (pockets at least) are dysfunctional but other countries demonstrate the model of not having to live under a dictatorship that commits genocide and restricts liberties and have high values in the things you mentioned.

Not to mention that obesity comes from… consuming too much food. Chinese will be obese too soon as they become wealthier. Well, unless the government mandates calories or something like they do hours playing video games..

[l332mn]

China will probably become much better than Norway, New Zealand and Switzerland once they increase their GDP. They have made major strides already despite their relatively low GDP per capita.

The US is the only country committing genocide. They have killed over a hundred innocent civilians in Afghanistan just the past few weeks. Over the past decodes they've killed around a million innocent civilians in the name of the hyper-aggressive and hypocritical "war on terror". Indirectly, they're responsible for several millions criminal murders during the same timespan, and they've not once been put to trial. They're not only failing their citizens, they're a genocidal, terrorist state.

[ericmay]

Yikes....

Hard to have a response to something so far removed from what I'm seeing. Not really any reconciliation possible here I think. Have a good day/evening!

[l332mn]

It's tough to admit, but these are the bare facts.

[ericmay]

Yea sorry I don't think those are facts at all, and certainly not so without proper context and analysis.

In fact, reading what you wrote just strengthened my conviction that they're not true at all.

[l332mn]

That's an odd, but unfortunately not uncommon, way of forming convictions. What are you unconvinced about? You openly admit that instead of uncomfortable information triggering your curiosity, it strengthens your already made up convictions to the contrary.

There's plenty of research, and leaks have uncovered much of the extent of US war crimes. The proportion of civilian casualties in Afghanistan (and Iraq) are immense, bordering 80%. This is because of the extremely low bar for claiming someone are enemy combatants.

See for example just the past few days: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/30/an-afghan-family-ki...

A "suspected" car bomb (not a car bomb at all), triggered the US to kill 10 innocent civilians. They claimed they targeted ISIS, and that no civilians were known to have died. This is the rule rather than an exception, which leaks and whistleblowers have extensively shown.

[ericmay]

Ok, take everything you said and reverse it and let me know if your convictions are lessened. Are they?

Yea thought so. No engagement possible here when we just live in two completely different worlds. Have a good day!