[OkiJ]

> You're trying to lump people who have legitimate concerns about the covid-19 vaccine in particular

There are no such "legitimate concerns" (or legitimate arguments for that matter). You trying to lump people that are delusional, uneducated, fear-mongering deniers in with rational people that evaluate reality on its own merits is the "very dishonest" part.

[HonestOp001]

Are people dying from the vaccine?

Are the vaccinated experiencing adverse reactions?

Have vaccines in the past been proven to be dangerous? Looking at you anthrax vaccine.

None of these are zero.

If you can pass the throng test and argue why their might be hesitancy, it would make you more understanding.

[honkycat]

> Are people dying from the vaccine?

No.

> Are the vaccinated experiencing adverse reactions?

Occasionally people will experience mild adverse reactions. This is actually covered in the article above.

However, adverse vaccine reactions are happening at a much lower rate than actual DEATH of healthy individuals from Covid19 itself. Let along "long covid" symptoms.

> Have vaccines in the past been proven to be dangerous? Looking at you anthrax vaccine.

Gulf war syndrome has not been established to be caused by the anthrax vaccine. So no.

> None of these are zero.

They don't have to be zero, but 0.0003 is a much smaller number than the adverse reactions to catching Covid itself.

> If you can pass the throng test and argue why their might be hesitancy, it would make you more understanding.

I don't know what "the throng test" is but I don't think WE are the ones that do not understand. It is you who does not understand.

The fact you site a conspiracy theory about gulf war syndrome makes me believe you are not being honest.

[native_samples]

> Are people dying from the vaccine? No.

Perhaps this explains a lot of the more fanatical aspects of those pushing vaccines-for-all. There are absolutely people dying of the vaccine, and who were at very low risk of dying of COVID. For example, this TV presenter:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/26/bbc-presenter-di...

"A BBC presenter died from a blood clot on the brain due to complications of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has concluded. Lisa Shaw died in May, just over three weeks after she had her first dose of the jab, an inquest in Newcastle heard on Thursday."

Although that article admits the connection, usually media reports about people who died shortly after taking their vaccine simply don't mention it at all. Like this teenager:

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/simone-scott-oct-7-2001-...

The parents worked with Berensen on the story and confirmed on Twitter that it is fully real. But if you search the name Simone Scott on Google you will be given lots of news articles that didn't talk to the parents, and which claim she died of a "mysterious illness" or even "a virus" (unnamed). In other words, vaccine-linked deaths are going unreported or outright misreported, with rare exceptions like famous TV personalities.

Or this hip hop artist who died at 42 of a heart attack, 28 days after being vaccinated (heart attacks being a known side effect). None of the news articles about his death mention the proximity to the vaccine: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/16/a-linchpin-tri... and https://www.bitchute.com/video/GIe8s0JTv7rG/ has tweets showing his date of vaccination.

The VAERS database tracks reports of deaths that occur shortly after being vaccinated.

https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

Look at the graph of reports of death by onset in days. Most deaths occur on the day of the vaccination or within just a few days later, strongly suggesting causality, especially as only the most motivated people will learn how to report to VAERS - it's optional, people are not being informed about it ahead of time, and there are many reports of the health system refusing to help file reports.

Today there was a report that COVID vaccines are ~100x as deadly as flu vaccines. It's behind a paywall so I haven't read it, but it sounds plausible when you look at the numbers. Deaths are obviously not the only problem that can arise. Many people are reporting injuries of various kinds, sometimes quite serious ones. Browse the reports on the site to see for yourself.

At any rate, there has never been any question that some people will be killed or maimed by the vaccine in such a large rollout. Even Bill Gates admitted that right at the start. These things are always cost/benefit calculations. The question is what exactly is the cost. In the current environment of absolute hostility to anything that could slow down the rollout, it's very unclear anyone really knows.

[raxxorrax]

> There are no such "legitimate concerns"

That is just wrong and any good doctor can explain that to you, you seem to be badly informed here.

There are risk calculations that favor vaccination with all currently available knowledge. But there are secondary issues like vaccine surveillance and compelling medical treatments that might nudge people in different directions. These are legitimate since the behavior of the most militant vaccine proponents are fairly predictable.