[throwaway47292]

I can relate a bit, I think something is lost with scratch, it just seems fake and unreal.

I tried it with my daughter(10) and she did not respond to it, of course it was likely my fault. After that I changed the approach to be more tangible, making apps, websites, roblox games, python games etc, and she is getting better and better.

However the games 'human resource machine' and '7 billion humans' as visual programming were incredibly helpful. (tomorrowcorporation.com)

I document the process here: https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids