[moreshadow]

Bitcoin's value partially derives from permissionless transactions on an immutable ledger, if you'd actually been following it from 2009 you'd know that (but you don't).

> Bitcoin would have today 0 value because it is boosted only by FOMO (fear of missing out)

An incredibly tired take (but it's cute that you spelled out "FOMO" and abbreviated it). Compared to 2009, 2021 is the future, where the value of BTC is not 0. We don't have to speculate incorrectly as you do when you say "Bitcoin would have today 0 value," we know what value it is.

You completely failed to predict the effect of BTC and cryptocurrency on the global financial market, which supports your idea that "we cannot predict future trends." We can make educated guesses though.

[johnnycerberus]

> Bitcoin's value derives from permissionless transactions on an immutable ledger

The imbecilic way of saying supply and demand?

[fastball]

No, that is a fairly straightforward explanation of Bitcoin's utility. Bitcoin did two fundamental things:

- it was actually useful for people transacting things

- it introduced the world to blockchain as a general technology, which at this point many new things (which people find useful in ways more complex and more varied than the above) have been built atop.

The idea that BTC would be worth $0 without speculation is just poor reasoning. It misunderstands the past, ignores the present, and doesn't even look to the future, so not surprised you didn't pick up on this particular trend.

[moreshadow]

No, supply and demand is an economic theory, it would be imbecilic to confuse the two, the way you did.

Do you even know what a "permissionless transaction" or an "immutable ledger" are? Do you believe Bitcoin has achieved both?

[johnnycerberus]

Every "permissionless transaction" is an action of supplying and demanding, the "immutable ledger" is the proof that the action happened in the past. The price of Bitcoin, as the price of anything in life, is determined by supply and demand. Stop glorifying stuff using specialized language because people will actually believe you are the opposite of gifted. Reading "Thinking Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman will do you good. The price of Bitcoin will remain forever volatile as the system is inherently flawed and nobody has faith in it.

Usually I block trolls, but in the lack of such a functionality on HN take this comment as my last interaction with you.

[RaketenStadt]

> Every "permissionless transaction" is an action of supplying and demanding.

Of course it's not, it's simply a transaction; it doesn't need to be between two separate parties. I don't think you understand Bitcoin as well as you believe, you have it confused with an economic theory.

Reading "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System" will do you good.

[johnnycerberus]

The way you express yourself makes me think you have just switched accounts.

[RaketenStadt]

Good to know. Can you explain the difference between a permissionless transaction and the economic theory of supply and demand?