[lucian1900]

They run to Europe because we bombed Libya and continue the economic warfare and exploitation against the entire continent.

The Cold War was also won with coups and invasions and death squads and infiltration. What you see now is entirely in character with western imperialism, merely turning inwards as it collapses.

[turbinerneiter]

That's the point, people say we should intervene for, eh ethics or something and democracy, but we go there for selfish reasons _and make things worse_.

We should focus on fixing and improving our own democracy, make sure people here are visibly doing better than in places that don't have democracy and freedom and offer help to everyone who wants to achieve it.

Help as in "this is how you write a constitution", "this is how you write civil law", "this is how you run an efficient health care system" , not bombs.