[turbinerneiter]

A lot of our democratic law influenced by lobbyists is trampling on the rights of the majority to benefit a small minority.

We can't bomb democracy into these countries. We have to show them that our model is superior. We bombed away many dictators, just then to be unhappy with what the people voted for afterwards. How are you going to convince the Afghans that Democracy is better than the Taliban and Sharia, when their president was corrupt and fled the country with a helicopter full of money, instead of protecting the nation?

Imagine Apple bombing the house of a Samsung user to convince them to buy an iPhone. That's what we do in Arabic countries. And while we talk about democracy, we steal what they have.

[IncRnd]

You are assuming Democracy is better, while at the same time saying that it isn't, due to who gets elected.

> Imagine Apple bombing the house of a Samsung user to convince them to buy an iPhone. That's what we do in Arabic countries. And while we talk about democracy, we steal what they have.

Sorry, that isn't what happens in the world. You seem to believe the justifications provided by politicians are the true causes of things. For example, consider the 20 year war against the Taliban in Afghanistan. It is ridiculous to think that the rest of the world couldn't eliminate a small group of people over a 20 year period. They are on social media. They use trackable phones. The intent was clearly not to track them down.

That's because the goal wasn't actually to eliminate the Taliban any more than the goal is to solve any of the wedge issues in politics. These things are kept alive in order to fund politicians and special interest groups. In the case of The United States in Afghanistan, there was a 20 year war overseen by Generals who have never won a war. They spent somewhere just under a billion dollars a day. In that case, Defense contractors were the ultimate beneficiaries of the 20 year war. Now that there is a pullout, The United States is sending civilians to help get people out of the country.

[turbinerneiter]

You are making my point exactly!

Assumption: Democracy is good. Counter: Look at what democratic countries did to Afghanistan in the name of democracy, when it really was just about some a-holes enriching themselves.

Conclusion: Spreading democracy by force make a mockery out of it. We should spread it by proofing that it is better, by having a better quality of life, a fairer system, more freedom, less injustice and so on.

No wonder people in those countries don't trust democracy, they have only seen the perversion of it!

[howinteresting]

With apologies to Planck, politics progresses one funeral at a time. For example, in Afghanistan there is a generation of women who had never faced oppression from the Taliban; who knows what would have happened if there were five generations of women who had never faced such oppression.

The US is quite bad, its imperial adventures are a disgrace, and it absolutely should not have been occupying Afghanistan, of course.

[turbinerneiter]

That's a good point. I am Austrian, living in Germany. Perfect examples of how to do nation building after a war. Maybe we should have tried that in Afghanistan.