[philipov]

> isn't the black hole a region that is drifting away so "fast" that light isn't fast enough to reach "us" on the outside?

I've seen some models of black holes that are similar to this. Specifically, what is happening in those models is that the space inside the event horizon is growing faster than the speed of light, so more space is created than light can traverse.

This is the inverse of how cosmological horizons work. The reason we can only observe a limited portion of the universe is because objects are uniformly moving away from all other non-gravitationally bound objects. Space is being created between them. The farther you look, the faster galaxies are moving away from us because space is being created at every point in between. If you try to look far enough, the speed that objects are moving away from us becomes faster than the speed of light: space is being created faster than light can traverse it.

This sort of faster-than-light travel doesn't break the relativistic speed limit because these objects aren't inertially accelerating inside their frame of reference, the frame of reference itself is expanding.

[hinkley]

> space is being created faster than light can traverse it.

Which is precisely the sort of behavior one might expect if they lived inside of a black hole.

[alasdair_]

Isn’t this what is happening in our universe as well? Space is expanding faster than light can traverse it?

[hinkley]

I am at this point waiting to see someone prove that we aren't.

Though ultimately I don't know if it matters. What we have is so vast that we can't really fathom it ending except in the abstract. No matter how big a ripple I make in the pond it's not going to matter in a couple billion years. I content myself by thinking in centuries.