[kiba]

By "win", I meant whatever strategic goal, clearly defined, we hope to accomplish there. And then we spend our full effort to achieve that.

If we do not know our goals, and not willing to spend blood and treasure, then what are we doing there?

[arminiusreturns]

The problem is the real goals are not revealed to the public, so all the wishywashy stuff about unclear goals is just to fool onlookers while the real goals were accomplished. Anybody who bought into the whole "no such thing as the deep state" in the anti-Trump furor of the moment is foolishly naive in contrast with the reality behind both Afghaniatan but also Iraq and the GWOT generally.

In a land were so many self-appointed technocrats clamor for censorship, soon discussion of the real hefty topics at play will become badspeak and premptively banned, removed, silenced.

For example,have fun trying to say one thing about how Israel and Suadi Arabia both had more involvement in 9/11 than Afghanistan did without immediatedly being attacked.

Its easier to talk about 3-letter motivations like continued drug, gun money going into black book coffers so they dont have to account to congress only because its something more in the mainstream mind.

Another topic thats generally forbidden? Analysis of the media machine that pushed us into war(s) in the first place.

I could go on. The point is the real goals are not the presented goals. If you understand that you have a much better chance at real insight.