[fatbird]

We aren't out warring on "no shirts, no shoes, no service" mandates in private businesses, but somehow mandating a vaccine for a pandemic disease that kills is a gross infringement on our bodily autonomy? Religious exemptions for vaccinations shouldn't be allowed either.

[josephcsible]

You can take your shirt and shoes back off once you leave a business. A better comparison would be businesses that banned certain hairstyles or tattoos.

[fatbird]

In fact, you are, in the US, allowed to refuse service to someone based on their tattoos or hairstyle [0]. The only prohibition in general on refusing service is to protected classes such as race or sex.

So now we can refuse service to someone with a tattoo we dislike, but not because they're unvaccinated? We don't deserve to survive as a species if we're that fucking dumb.

[0] https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AHnJsx...

[josephcsible]

In a lot of states, hairstyle is considered a protected class these days.

[jdjd6]

If you are so concerned, by all means you can get as vaccines as you want. To now, it remains unanswered why others have to be forced to receive the vaccine.

[fatbird]

Because most of the effect of vaccines is their effect en masse. It's a solution lying almost entirely within the realm of collective action, so it's a test of whether we're collectively smart enough to implement a rational collective solution, which includes using some degree of coercive measures to achieve it.

Basically, if we let a pandemic kill millions because a fetish for personal choice prevents us from doing what's necessary to prevent it, we're too fucking stupid to survive as a species. That doesn't have to mean going to door-to-door with guns and needles; getting to the critical mass we need just means refusing to let the stupidly unvaccinated into a variety of public venues like airplanes and universities long enough to make them get the vaccine.