[tharkun__]

+100 if I could.

What you say is especially true of someone in your role (or any higher up role), which in a small startup extends far down I would suppose.

When I see the C-levels or even just a level up or sideways mention that they had to work late on this or that or had to have a meeting at 10pm or someone was pulled into a meeting with some C-level at 10pm I loose respect for those people really fast. Work regular hours. Get done what you can get done in those regular hours. Regular hours can mean 11 hours one day and then you take most of Friday off.

There's two ways these people loose respect with me:

If you have to work 12 hour days to get the same work done as other people, you are maybe not really good at your job or you do too much 'socializing' at work but it makes the actual hard working folks that just finish their work in a regular day look bad.

Or you're the workaholic type that just can't stop. At least you're good at your job, perfect. But don't make actual hard working folks look bad.

[steveBK123]

Yeah it's crazy. My wife was in final round of interviews, about to get an offer, and all seemed to be well, suddenly the hiring manager drops a bomb.. "The team is working 15 hours/day right now, but it should go down as we onboard staff.. and the firm cares about work/life balance so we encourage everyone to take off 2 days per month out of their unlimited vacation".

I mean wtf, if they are doing 15hr/day what are you going down to once you staff up.. 12hr/day? If your hiring manager is willing to work his team 15hr/days for months on end then how is he going to look at you trying to work 10hr/days?

Note this is not a startup, but an organization with nearly 20k employees. This is not a lottery ticket job that if a product launches successfully she's going to walk away with career/life changing money. It's maybe a 15-20% raise so that she can work 50-80% more hours.

Just so dysfunctional. She was super disappointed until we talked about it being a blessing in disguise. If he had come in with a lower number like "12 hours/day but going down" or the compensation was crazy, you would maybe try to talk yourself into it.. or worse if he didn't disclose hours and you took the job..