[bigmattystyles]

Why do we leave so much behind? Is it impractical to remove economically or there’s no money that be made from it? I understand large parts of it was given to the Afghan army but it’s jarring to see. With regards to anything other than a weapon, we should be able to brick everything with a firmware update in the future.

[hncurious]

There's no accountability and the equipment already served its purpose.

Julian Assange, 2011: "The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war"

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1427929346262642688

US veteran who oversaw training of Afghan forces, 2021: "I would sit in on staff meetings, because part of my position there was with a Joint Command that was building the Afghan military and police force — the division that I worked with was about training and policy for the Afghan police. And that also included arming and funding them.

I don’t think I could overstate that this was a system just basically designed for funneling money and wasting or losing equipment."

https://mtracey.substack.com/p/a-big-money-funneling-operati...

[Shish2k]

The more equipment the army leaves behind, the more will need replacing, and the more profit the arms manufacturers make :P

> we should be able to brick everything with a firmware update

I am curious how permenantly-bricked a tank would be without the electronics. Sure replacing the electronics would be a pain in the ass, but I would imagine it’s still orders of magnitude easier than building a whole tank from scratch?

[RandomBK]

They'll probably be able to get it minimally working, but much of modern weapons tech is in the software, targeting systems, precision firing timing, etc. It's possible these tanks are too old for that to be a factor though.

It is theoretically possible to lock down the system to only authorized users, much like what we see with TPMs and modern smartphone security. This is supposed to be part of the reason the F35 program was so expensive - every component is cryptographically signed and verified.

[lalaland1125]

The equipment was given to the ANA for them to fight the Taliban. All of it was seized when ANA forces surrendered, fled or lost.

[kodah]

I was part of the retrograde in 2011/2012, the first time an administration thought leaving was a good idea. I didn't do the actual retrograde work, my unit was designated to continue operations, but I did have to inspect gear they proposed sending back.

- Gear has to be extremely clean in order to send it back. It has to have every bit of sand removed from it, and I mean every. This order comes from customs.

- Once the above requirement is at-play there becomes a cost benefit analysis to what gear is worth taking and what's not. The remaining gear is usually destroyed somehow and possibly buried. This includes gun parts and attachments.

- the effort to snag gear from small bases like observation posts is difficult. Some of these places are in military advantageous places, which also make them difficult places to get vehicles to. If you can't get a logtrain there, then you've got to fly a helicopter. The Taliban are no stranger to setting off the rocket detection systems on helicopters.

- retrograde is literally spare troops sitting around hand scrubbing gear on a very long and boring deployment. I felt terrible for these people. Morale is always low in these units.

The last way I can think of is the most infuriating. I don't know how to speak to this scenario without telling a story, so here goes:

I was in a region called Musa Qalah. My truck was ordered to help bolster operational capabilities while a base was handed over to the Afghan National Army. The base was called Habib. On our way there we encountered a truck loaded down openly with munitions and jovial men that was weaving in and out of our convoy. When we requested permission to engage with what was obviously a hostile truck we were reminded that the Rules of Engagement as set by the administration were, "You're not to fire until you have been fired upon." The truck eventually detoured from us and we arrived at the base. It was a small place, maybe 8-10 posts in total. Marines had been using it to patrol the nearby town and keep the area peaceful (generally the Taliban will attack the base instead of infesting the town, which is a bit of a pseudo-win while schools and infrastructure get in queue to be opened up). It was a pretty average base from what I saw. Lots of concertina wire, the posts were sandbagged but not the most built up. Decent fighting positions though. The units doing stage one of the retrograde (collect all the gear) were doing their thing. I did see the ANA at some point. We tend to leave them with gear like minesweepers, radios, (I could see bioscanners being part of this). Basically anything the average infantry unit would need. The thing I noted is that there were only 8 ANA including the commander. On the last day I was watching the mountains outside of the base and I saw a series of figures on top of the mountains. Initially dismissed as goat herders, I started watching them through my rifle scope. They were holding guns and there were munitions crates stacked all along the horizon. They were waiting. No more ANA showed up. 8 people to staff 10 posts. We were told the mission was to turn over the base to the ANA and that staying behind to help them defend would be counter to that mission. We left. Habib went dark on radio over the next two days.

It's possible the ANA took their gear and left, they made a deal with the Taliban, or that they were slaughtered. You can imagine where the gear goes when troops aren't prepared for how to destroy it properly or don't have the tools necessary.

[HWR_14]

A lot of the equipment was left for the Afghan forces. The worries are (a) if the Taliban will use it and (b) is there anything in that equipment that the Chinese/Russian/etc. forces can reverse engineer.

[op00to]

It wasn’t needed. The equipment is useless outside of theater. No one wants it. It’s a clear as day example of why the war was a waste of money from the start.

[quetzthecoatl]

>Why do we leave so much behind?

because it was part of the deal? It's the same playbook used to equip ISIS back when toppling asad was the objective. It's not like none of these could be dismantled or outright destroyed. That and Taliban was created by none other than US with the help of Pakistan. It's not like US and Taliban are strangers, and surprise surprise, taliban isn't even in the designated terrorist list apparently. You also have UK military head doing PR for Taliban. Taliban takeover was with the approval of US, and weapon transfer was part of the deal.