[cookiengineer]

Counter-question: At what point is child porn actually child porn, socially and statistically speaking?

If I share that picture of my child with my friends and loved ones on Facebook - at what "scale" is it considered to be added to that database as child porn?

1k shares? 10k? Who's the one eligible to decide that? The judicatives? I think this scenario is a constitutional crisis because there's no good solution to it in terms of law and order.

[jazzyjackson]

I think you're underestimating the severity of child abuse by orders of magnitude. CSAM is a database of child rape, not child nudity.

[foepys]

For now. You don't know what will be added next.

China will demand it to include pictures of the Tiananmen massacre.

[jazzyjackson]

Well that’s a pretty orthogonal concern to the above comment that was worried about getting flagged for sharing pics of their own kids

[noduerme]

idk what's in the database, whether it's rape or nudes or both. Although depictions of sexual acts versus simple nudity seems like a logical place to draw a line, all the lines on adult pornography are arbitrarily drawn based on "community standards", and we're only a few decades away from state-level bans on any nudes as "porn" in the US, including artistic photos. (Not to mention anti-sodomy laws).

Even if what's in the database is 100% violently criminal as you suggest, and even if it remains limited to that material, we already have a process in place that denies the accused of even seeing the evidence against them if a hash matches. What a horrific, orwellian situation if someone sent you hash matches, the police raid your house and now you can't even see what they think they have or prove your own innocence.

[ec109685]

You would presumably have the 30+ images on your device or in iCloud to prove your innocence.

For you to get caught up in this dragnet, 30+ plus images have to match NeuralHash’s of known illegal images, thumbnails of those images have to also produce a hit when run through a private hash function that Apple only has, and two levels of reviewers have to confirm the match as well.