[crummybowley]

I feel like the real problem is people burning police buildings, and the lack of accountability in holding every last person who was involved in setting public property on fire to the maximum extent of the law.

But you obviously did not read the article you posted or might have sympathy to the folks lives that could be in danger if such documents were released to the public. But ACAB, FTP right?

[pwenzel]

This may be unpopular, but since you asked, I am now firmly in the FTP camp. I wasn't always, but it's inched along over time. I live adjacent to George Floyd Square and our neighborhood has a long history of negative encounters with the police.

The department has for decades shown aggressive conduct and forced Minneapolis to pay out $71M in settlements in recent years. If anyone is doing the defunding, it's the MPD defunding Minneapolis.

There is more nuance than can fit in a Hacker News comment, but I do see the need for public safety while at the same time demanding accountability from our police department. I will be voting yes to change the charter.

https://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-third-precinct-served-...

https://yes4minneapolis.org/

edit: I recognize that this comment/thread may steer discussion from the original intent of the article here. Mods, please let me know if I can remove if needed.

[bnj]

Do you feel similarly about prosecuting corrupt police officers for abuses of their powers, or is the insistence that criminal behavior be prosecuted limited to protestors?

[google234123]

Police are prosecuted though… go watch the George Floyd related trials. I haven’t seen much evidence that most of the 1000s of rioters have been caught and made to pay for their crimes.

[joshstrange]

> Police are prosecuted though… go watch the George Floyd related trials.

Are you honestly making that statement with a straight face? If it takes a full summer of protests to get justice for 1 man then that is not justice and anyone pretending it is is either not paying attention or is complicit. What about Breonna Taylor or the other people (black AND white) killed or harmed at the hands of the police? Where is their justice?

The police get off /all the time/ using qualified immunity and aren't held to anywhere near the same standard as the general public. To pretend that police are regularly prosecuted for their crimes is disingenuous at best.

[bastardoperator]

"I feel"... You're not being objective. Your feelings are unimportant. If anyone is to blame it's the IT department that lost the data and had no DR in place. You cannot release documents to the public that have been lost forever.

This has nothing to do with police so I'll assume your emotions or politics are getting the best of you.

[crummybowley]

Yeah, maybe I feel was a bad choice of words.

Are you blind to a building being set on fire because some people feel some way?

Side note, yes, the IT department failed them 100%.

[CobrastanJorji]

I read the article. "Rioters never came for the second precinct. In the days following Floyd's killing, most violence was concentrated on the Third Precinct — across the Mississippi River and more than 5 miles south of the Second Precinct." There was no danger of those documents being released to the public.

[crummybowley]

Your vision is always 2020 after the fact. The idea that the city was burning enough would be a good enough fear that who knows what the hell would happen next.

Its completely insane that everybody is just okay with millions of tax payer dollars being destroyed. Its insane that folks are okay with completely shutting down probably one of the best invention of man kind and reverting back to pure mob rules barbarism.