[Blikkentrekker]

> I really like Rust, but in my mind it's still relegated to the periphery of tasks that must be super fast (like C/C++, to your point) and/or low-level. Rust has made impressive strides at reducing the toil involved in compile-time memory management, but there is still a big productivity gap between the borrow checker and GC.

Even if it weren't for the performance I would use Rust over Go due to the lack of generics alone, as well as the associated general philosophy of Go that boilerplate is good and one should repeat oneself as much as possible.

[throwaway894345]

I really, really like type systems, but I’ve built enough software to know that the returns for most applications diminish after a Go-like type system is in place, and there are many other factors that are more important than type systems (and Rust gets a lot of these right too!) such as performance, productivity, tooling breadth and quality (especially build tooling and package management), ecosystem, deployment/distribution story, learning curve, readability, etc. Ultimately I’m of the opinion that as cool as type systems are, for most software they need to exist in service of productivity which means you need a basic type system that helps you but gets out of your way. Type systems can’t catch many classes of bugs that are increasingly prevalent in a world where our services are getting increasingly smaller (or rather, where more infrastructure and networking are being put in between the logical components of our application) and we’re often able to detect bug fixes before they impact a significant number of users (progressive deployments, automated rollbacks, continuous deployment, etc) but the discourse around type systems hasn’t caught up yet.

[Blikkentrekker]

It has nothing to do with catching bugs.

It has to do with that one sometimes has to write 80 lines of code in Go to to the same as 3 lines of Rust code due to having to repeat oneself all the time.

[throwaway894345]

That’s an even more superficial concern. No one is bottlenecked on the rate at which they can type.

[Blikkentrekker]

One especially is in the case where it's boilerplate code that does not rely on any real deep thought but writes itself, and with the possibility of bugs in it, most of all. Anyone can make a simple typo or forget something in the endless boilerplate.

It also gets in the way of reading code.

[erik_seaberg]

Maintainers are bottlenecked by the rate we can (re)read. Boilerplate is the problem that makes us want powerful languages; if it didn’t matter we could have stayed with assembly.