[llukas]

> Your rights are not being violated because someone refuses to publish to your specific app store. > Instead, you can have exactly what you have now. Which is that you can get a phone, and only use the Apple App store.

Today all apps on iPhone have go through Apple App store - this is what I paid for. With many stores some apps on iPhone could be only available only on other stores. This demonstrates that I can't have "exactly what you have now".

> Instead, what you want is to force other people, to do certain things with their own property.

App developers and other large companies want to force Apple to do certain things with their software to modify how things work on my hardware. Nobody forces one to buy iPhone.

Support alternatives like Librem or Pinephone - they are right long term direction.

[michaelmrose]

You paid for a piece of hardware with certain capabilities which are intact. You did not for your piddling dollars buy the right to freeze the universe in the configuration that would be most ameniable to you. I cannot fathom why you think you did.

[llukas]

Dollars definitely buy option to press “do not track” button on every new iOS app.

[michaelmrose]

What actually happens is that apple is forced to drop its fees, some of its restrictions to be competitive to stop the bleeding. No third party app store ends up on greater than 50-60% of phones and apps that want maximum coverage still end up on the official app store.

People like yourself who only have the official app store have little issue save maybe with fortnight.

[llukas]

So improvement is only for facebook, epic and developers at cost the users. That is what you are peddling.

[michaelmrose]

What I'm peddling is that you don't have a right to keep vendor A from doing business with customer B on a device B purchased outright from apple in the comfort of Bs home Apple has no place there even if you think the result is virtuous.

However logically some part of the decreased fees will go to paying the developers which means they have more resources to create the apps users love and some portion will end up in the users pockets.

[llukas]

I can tell Apple in no uncertain terms that they will not see more of my $$$ if they let vendor A to do business with customer B as there is no way to do this without making my experience shit.

Very likely not just mine:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2020-10-08/china-...

Your logic doesn’t seem to apply in real world to China or Steam vs Epic vs other stores situation.

So at best you are not convincing.