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by Mikeb85 1772 days ago
Death, in the case of some younger (mostly women) people and the AZ vaccine. Canada and other countries literally don't use it for the reason, I believe the US hasn't certified it either. The Pfizer vaccine has been linked to some heart issues but mostly minor and with far less frequency.

(For the record, I got Pfizer)
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mint2 1772 days ago
I think he meant to ask about rates. The term risk is slightly ambiguous.

Death or long term disability is the risk of Covid.

The rates of those outcomes are extremely higher for the actual disease.

I Feel like a lot of people are falling into a “Both sides” or “fair and balanced” type trap by over indexing on that in theory the outcome could be the same, while ignoring the elephant in the room that the odds are vastly different such that there’s not really a comparison.

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Mikeb85 1771 days ago
> The rates of those outcomes are extremely higher for the actual disease.

But the risk of catching the disease is less than 100%. So you need to weigh the risk of the vaccine versus your risk of catching the disease AND dying.

Do the probability of negative outcomes of AZ for women 20-40 versus the probability of catching Covid during a given timeframe AND dying for that same age group.

There's a reason many countries don't use AZ, and that some who do used it only for older patients. Canada for example doesn't even use AZ anymore. I believe it's still not approved for use in the US either. This isn't some conspiracy, lots of countries have highlighted the risks and don't use the vaccine.

Also this isn't an anti-vaxx post (I literally have 2 doses of Pfizer), it's a realistic post about the risks.

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nradov 1771 days ago
In the long run everyone's risk of catching the virus is close to 100%. It's now endemic (like several other coronaviruses) and no matter what you do you can't expect to avoid exposure forever. Just a question of when.
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randomopining 1771 days ago
You realize that everything is a probability right?

There are people who choke and die on Hot Dogs every year. So there is a "risk of death from hot dogs"

Yet most reasonable people would not really care.

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Mikeb85 1771 days ago
The same argument can be made for Covid itself too and is also an anti-vaxx argument. Everything we do has risks and we determine whether or not they're reasonable.

With vaccines, enough countries have said some have acceptable risk profiles (Pfizer and Moderna) and some are too risky (AstraZeneca).

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randomopining 1771 days ago
Not at all actually. Since the statistical evidence shows covid "bad-effects" at a rate much much higher than vaccine "bad-effects".

So basically your entire argument is wrong.

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Mikeb85 1771 days ago
You're missing that the probability of getting Covid is less than 1. And that bad symptoms from Covid are highly age dependent.

The AZ vaccine has been banned or disused in many countries (it's not even approved in the US!). Do you know something multiple world governments don't?

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