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You do realize, both sides are claiming the other is trying to overthrow the government, right?

Both have, in my view, reasonable arguments on why they feel that way.

Try to zoom out and look at your comment from the 3rd person view. The right believes the left stole an election (coup), they believe they have evidence to prove it. The left saw Jan 6 on the corporate news and believes they have the evidence to prove Trump attempted to seize government.

Note, none of the people charged for Jan 6 was for sedition. So the evidence really isn't there either.

If you take a step back and try to see both perspectives, perhaps it's possible to relate again.

[_ykl9]

Sure both sides are claiming it, but only one side is correct.

On the right, we have:

* USPS sabotage and state-level voter suppression measures in urban areas leading up to the 2020 election

* Post-election soft coup attempt via the courts (including having broken precedent to rush a SCOTUS appointment during the election, which could have changed the outcome of the coup attempt in a different timeline)

* 1/6

* Ongoing propagation of the "big lie" and scheming to overturn the election (https://news.yahoo.com/bizarre-seven-point-plan-reinstate-14...), alongside continuing implementation of state-level voter suppression measures and gerrymandering

And the left has:

* Failed to advocate for open source voting systems (which isn't a widely known or politically relevant issue on either side at present)

* Pushed for stronger voting rights and increased voter participation — both uncontroversially positive properties of a democracy, but also happen to benefit the Democratic Party at the current moment

* Proposed measures in the For the People Act that were arguably overly ambitious or aggressive in the current political environment, such as stricter campaign finance regulations, which were promptly renegotiated within their own party ranks

To frame these as comparable is borderline gaslighting.

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It’s frankly exhausting to have discussions when both sides live in their own worlds. You sound arrogant, “only one side is correct and it’s my side”

Every day I switch between msnbc, nbc, warroom.org, breaking points, Ben Shapiro and Tim pool. Probably ~6-8hrs a day I listen to content at double speed (while doing other stuff).

Every single one has their own take, but just to get you up-to-date with what the right believes:

* BLM and Antifa caused billions in damages. Harassing or attacking everyone who disagreed with ideology (they were coming to senators homes)

* in some places this is leading to the reintroduction of segregation https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/08/10/it-was-just-disbelie...

* FBI spied on trump on Clinton and Obama’s behalf. Utilizing a known fabricated document (fabricated to keep business with the Clinton foundation - see uranium one): https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-sc...

* election laws were changed last minute, broken among other things to effect a coup and they brag about it: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

* more people voted in 2020 than were registered in 2016 or 2018. With a 93% then out rate.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273743/number-of-registe...

* here’s a couple video explaining some of their concerns about the election

https://rumble.com/vkyxju-retired-u.s.-army-colonel-phil-wal...

https://rumble.com/vkyzgb-mike-lindell-cyber-symposium-dr.-d...

The list goes on and on...

[_ykl9]

It’s frankly exhausting to have discussions when both sides live in their own worlds.

It is indeed.

You sound arrogant, “only one side is correct and it’s my side”

I have very little patience for dishonesty. If that makes me seem "arrogant" to peddlers of disinformation, so be it.

BLM and Antifa caused billions in damages

Sure. That was terrible and uncalled for. Lots of bad ideas and movements come from the grassroots left, like "Defund the Police" and "All Cops are Bastards". I don't recall this being sanctioned or incited by Joe Biden or the Democratic Party, and it wasn't a coup d'etat.

in some places this is leading to the reintroduction of segregation

I didn't see where your source made a connection between these events. Either way, if you think that a racist principal imposing segregation in their school somehow vindicates right-wing insurrectionists, I don't know what to tell you.

FBI spied on trump on Clinton and Obama’s behalf. Utilizing a known fabricated document

This is an article about two British citizens independently making a decision to attempt to influence our election in a small way. I find that objectionable for the same reason as Russia's larger-scale election interference, but I don't see how it relates to the conspiracy theory of Obama spying on Trump.

election laws were changed last minute, broken among other things to effect a coup and they brag about it

Can you be more specific? All I'm seeing from an initial pass is that an effort was made to respond to right-wing voter suppression efforts and disinformation leading up to the election.

more people voted in 2020 than were registered in 2016 or 2018. With a 93% then out rate.

That was pretty cool. I'm not sure what you're suggesting it has to do with right-wing beliefs.

here’s a couple video explaining some of their concerns about the election

Sure, I'm aware that Trump and his allies claim to have concerns. That's what we're discussing here. Do you have more specific points and sources that aren't videos?