[TeeMassive]

> the other side's repeated attempts to overthrow our government.

Are you talking about Russia or the Federalist Society SCOTUS picks or the rioters who were let in by the few security guards remaining after the Capitol security was lowered or the Big Tech services that should be declared as political donations but aren't?

[_ykl9]

To be more specific, I was referring to:

* USPS sabotage and state-level voter suppression measures in urban areas leading up to the 2020 election

* Post-election soft coup attempt via the courts (including having broken precedent to rush a SCOTUS appointment during the election, which could have changed the outcome of the coup attempt in a different timeline)

* 1/6

* Ongoing propagation of the "big lie" and scheming to overturn the election (https://news.yahoo.com/bizarre-seven-point-plan-reinstate-14...), alongside continuing implementation of state-level voter suppression measures and gerrymandering

[TeeMassive]

> * USPS sabotage and state-level voter suppression measures in urban areas leading up to the 2020 election

This is implying that default mail-in voting was a way to get Democrats elected in the first place. (which it was given how mail-in voting was the source of the Democrats advance when they arrived)

> Post-election soft coup attempt via the courts

Challenging elections integrity in the courts are what insure the process is transparent and followed in the first place. This makes no sense by definition. Just because a SCOTUS nominee was nominated just before doesn't change anything and is still entirely within the Constitution. Because Democrats got unlucky on the retirement / death draw during this presidency doesn't mean a "coup". And by the way, it happened before.

> 1/6

Not a coup by any stretch of the imagination (no weapons) and barely a riot given the lack of destruction and violence. Also why leave out how security was reduced, that the FBI had informants and that Trump even proposed to increase security?

> Ongoing propagation of the "big lie"

I get it that you are not familiar with Bush v. Gore and how it was the big rig for years?

> and scheming to overturn the election (https://news.yahoo.com/bizarre-seven-point-plan-reinstate-14...)

It's easy to pick a random clown in a camp and then zoom 1000x to paint a bad picture:

"The cards, featuring a seven-point plan, appear to have been made by a group called Patriots Soar, which is not connected to the organisers of CPAC"

> alongside continuing implementation of state-level voter suppression measures and gerrymandering

Gerrymandering happens in blue districts too by the way, can can only do so much (elections results still mostly 50/50 percentage wise). And the "voter suppression" are a joke when you read the details of them since the measures being implemented are the same that are found in Canada (showing ID with proof of your address, registering to vote, having a reason to vote by mail, which used to be a Democrat talking point during the Bush/Obama years by the way).

[_ykl9]

This is implying that default mail-in voting was a way to get Democrats elected in the first place.

No it isn't. Don't be obtuse.

Challenging elections integrity in the courts are what insure the process is transparent and followed in the first place.

Filing dozens of frivolous lawsuits and aggressively pressuring state government officials to help overturn election results isn't normal.

Democrats got unlucky on the retirement / death draw

https://www.npr.org/sections/death-of-ruth-bader-ginsburg/20...

[1/6 was] not a coup by any stretch of the imagination (no weapons)

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters...

I get it that you are not familiar with Bush v. Gore

Yup, this is the first I've heard of George Bush and Al Gore. Thanks for letting me know about them.

It's easy to pick a random clown in a camp and then zoom 1000x to paint a bad picture

Sure. I agree with that. I'm not claiming that this is the official platform of the GOP, simply that it's a radical and dangerous element of society that Trump and his wing of the party are actively cultivating by continuing to promote lies.

And the "voter suppression" are a joke

Sure. They didn't work in the end, but they made it a lot closer than it would have been. The new ones may work or they may not, but we shouldn't tolerate any voter suppression in America.

showing ID with proof of your address

No one is opposed to requiring an ID to vote. The For the People Act included a voter ID provision, with alternative documents such as utility bills allowable as a fallback.

If you want to require IDs without that fallback, how about we make federal voting IDs available to everyone in the country at no cost and with minimal hassle or time investment? If the intent isn't voter suppression, this should be perfectly agreeable.

[TeeMassive]

> This is implying that default mail-in voting was a way to get Democrats elected in the first place.

> No it isn't. Don't be obtuse.

Do you have more to say than "don't be obtuse"? Because it was well known that Democrats were more likely to use mail-in voting from the beginning as various polls showed and how the vote turned out Democrats as more and more mail-in votes were counted.

> Filing dozens of frivolous lawsuits and aggressively pressuring state government officials to help overturn election results isn't normal.

"Frivolous" is your opinion, not the one of the courts. And by the way multiple cases have been thrown out during Bush v. Gore, were they "frivolous" too?

> Democrats got unlucky on the retirement / death draw

> https://www.npr.org/sections/death-of-ruth-bader-ginsburg/20...

Can you actually verbalize the point you're trying to make without simply linking an opinion piece from NPR?

> [1/6 was] not a coup by any stretch of the imagination (no weapons)

> https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters...

"Many of the weapons allegedly used in the riot are considered "less lethal" but are dangerous and can even be fatal, according to experts."

Again, nothing lethal enough to start an "insurrection" against armed guards.

> I get it that you are not familiar with Bush v. Gore

> Yup, this is the first I've heard of George Bush and Al Gore. Thanks for letting me know about them.

So you you know that challenging elections results and irregularities in the courts are part of the electoral process then.

> It's easy to pick a random clown in a camp and then zoom 1000x to paint a bad picture

> Sure. I agree with that. I'm not claiming that this is the official platform of the GOP, simply that it's a radical and dangerous element of society that Trump and his wing of the party are actively cultivating by continuing to promote lies.

Trump never said things that are outside of what are heard at political rallies. Things like "fighting" for a cause and "walking on X building" are fairly common.

> No one is opposed to requiring an ID to vote.

This is not true. Democrats and various pressure group have opposed it for decades now:

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-...

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/12/873878423/voting-and-election...

> The For the People Act included a voter ID provision, with alternative documents such as utility bills allowable as a fallback.

Bills are not id, they're proof of address. In Canada for example (and in most other liberal democracies), we have to show an id with a picture and a proof of address (the election card or a hydro bill if it's missing).

> No one is opposed to requiring an ID to vote. The For the People Act included a voter ID provision, with alternative documents such as utility bills allowable as a fallback.

> If you want to require IDs without that fallback, how about we make federal voting IDs available to everyone in the country at no cost and with minimal hassle or time investment? If the intent isn't voter suppression, this should be perfectly agreeable.

I'm sure this would get bi-partisan support, especially amongst the moderates. Social security numbers were never meant to be IDs in the first place and they are clearly out of date now.