[TechBro8615]

Wait, which side are you talking about? Is it the same side that’s been pushing election security bills with the most basic attempts to improve security of elections?

We don’t even need security – we need confidence. And this recent idea that it takes weeks to count votes, that we might not know the results for weeks – is completely unacceptable and is already doing irreparable damage to people’s faith in elections.

[HWR_14]

> this recent idea that it takes weeks to count votes, that we might not know the results for weeks – is completely unacceptable

Why on earth would that be? The "counting period" was originally set at 5 weeks. Between laws saying that you cannot start counting mail in ballots before the close of polls on election day, laws that (rightly) limit how many hours that can be spent counting ballots, etc. I'm not sure how to square that with instant results.

Maybe we just be patient counting the scores in a contest that takes 18 months to run?

[TechBro8615]

You have a super computer in your pocket. There is no reason counting votes should take any longer than it takes to receive them.

[HWR_14]

You want to trust democracy to OCR? Heck, there are lawsuits where humans disagree.

But, even if you ignore that two individuals (or three) representing all the candidates each count by hand a stack of ten, have to agree, sign off that they agree, etc. I think you underestimate other problems. You're focused on the counting.

Just consider how long it takes to open the outer envelope, check the signature on the inner envelope (again, by multiple people who represent different campaigns), and physically remove and unfold that sheet of paper. Now multiply by several million. Add in some extra time for managing stack of ten ballots.

Or, to put it another way, we don't vote with a phone app. We are willing to pay extra for security.

[dillondoyle]

Addition is fast. Opening ballots, verifying signatures, checking voter is legit, and then marking it all down takes time. Especially when bound by law to not open envelopes until 7pm eday.

[TechBro8615]

On another thread here, someone was explaining to me that mail-in ballots are separated from their provenance by design. So what exactly are these election workers spending hours doing to “verify signatures” and “check voter is legit?”

[yuubi]

That information is on the outside of the envelope and is verified before the envelope is opened. In some states, the ballot is inside another envelope that is opened after the voter info is separated from the ballot.

[jcranmer]

Well, you have to physically open up the envelope to pull ballots out. You have to look up the purported voter in the registration database. Check--does it exist? Does the signature match? Did the voter already cast a ballot? Get second opinions on this data for auditability purposes. And when all that's done, now you can put it in the machine. Except maybe the machine doesn't like the ballot because the ballot had to be folded to go through the postal system, so now you have to spend time flattening out the paper to get the machine to accept it.

Let's say it takes a minute to process a single ballot. That means a single poll worker can go through a couple hundred ballots--500 is a nice round number-- a day. And all of this is going to be processed generally at a centralized facility at county level, and because of the pandemic, you might have 500,000 of those to get through. Even with 100 workers working those ballots, that's still going to take 10 days to get through everything.

[__float]

So… you want the voting machines to be networked?

I really suspect you’re being intentionally difficult here, this is not such a simple problem as you suggest.

[thinkcontext]

Is this a joke? The side that was chasing after nonsense like Italian satellites, bamboo fibers, etc and firing AGs that wouldn't play ball is the side that is seeking to instill confidence?! Its a good thing that side has now been busy changing laws to allow themselves to overrule election results, I know that instills confidence in me.

[TechBro8615]

I can point to examples of clowns on the blue team too. This logical fallacy of “crazy by association” seems to be an increasingly popular trend in online political discussion. I wonder how many people simply choose not to engage.

[thinkcontext]

Except that your Italian satellite clowns are the ones in control of your party and are purging anyone who doesn't toe the clown line from it.

[TechBro8615]

By “purging,” do you mean that the red team is banning people they disagree with from speaking on the websites they own?

And I honestly don’t even know who you’re talking about but I assume it’s the pillow/pcap guy.

Have you heard about the president’s son, or the New York governor, or the speaker of the house who moonlights as a prolific stock trader?

Good people are not leading us.

[thinkcontext]

Trump is the leader of your party. He is the one that had Meadows send Italian satellites to DOJ and all the other nonsense. He is the one that axed Barr after Barr said there was no evidence to support the crazy that Trump was spewing. He's the one purging people from your party that speak out against this insanity.

Your other whataboutisms are weak sauce compared with this. In particular the Cuomo one is not good for you, he's out, while your party continues to embrace the p**y grabber that has a higher harassment allegation count.

[rascul]

> Trump is the leader of your party.

Just want to point out that Trump doesn't lead the GOP.

https://gop.com/about-our-party/rnc-leaders/

[XorNot]

Such as?

[amanaplanacanal]

Is that really a recent thing though? Or has it always taken some places weeks to count votes, just not in close states?

[HWR_14]

It's recent because of the huge amount of write in ballots. Usually the winner is called the night of because they* just ignore the mail in numbers, even in battleground states. This year, there were too many (and they were too different a population from the in person ballots) to do that.

* "They" meaning the news media. The official vote took longer and counted the mail in ballots

[amanaplanacanal]

Ah yes, COVID. And then some states passed laws that the mail in ballots couldn't start being counted until after election day.