[FieryBinary]

No, giving criticism of an OS is not attacking it. You'll see that strcat only responded to places where GrapheneOS was mentioned. You'll see that there was misinformation being spread about GrapheneOS, whether intentionally or unintentionally, that originates from the Calyx community. Just look at their Matrix rooms and what their supporters/influencers say about GrapheneOS.

Bundling a bunch of apps and integrating proprietary corporate services with privileges unavailable to other apps is not privacy, sorry.

[emptysongglass]

If you have the ear of strcat, I urge you to to talk to them about this kind of paranoid conspiracy thinking that leads them to directly accuse me (and others in this thread) of being a co-conspirator in a vast plot to undermine GrapheneOS. It's fantastic thinking and it damages the reputation of what is otherwise a gift to the community.

I have been on Hacker News a long time, posting on everything from sex worker rights to Telegram to Emacs. I don't know about your Matrix room, I've never visited it. I have no interest in impersonating anyone save myself.

> You'll see that there was misinformation being spread about GrapheneOS, whether intentionally or unintentionally, that originates from the Calyx community.

I don't see that anywhere here in this thread. I see a thread that should have been a space for celebrating a cool more-private, more-secure Android project being hijacked because its competitor's lead developer believes themselves to be the target of a conspiracy. A conspiracy that isn't even occurring in the very thread they're engaged in:

> I've only posted here to defend us from malicious misinformation being spread by you folks.

From who? Nobody here is doing this! Especially maliciously.

If you think CalyxOS is implementing a feature that is harming users, you might try and communicate with their community in a cooperative, direct way, rather than this self-destructive crusade GrapheneOS is airing publicly.

I think you and strcat owe everyone here in this thread an apology.

[FieryBinary]

>If you have the ear of strcat, I urge you to to talk to them about this kind of paranoid conspiracy thinking that leads them to directly accuse me (and others in this thread) of being a co-conspirator in a vast plot to undermine GrapheneOS. It's fantastic thinking and it damages the reputation of what is otherwise a gift to the community.

It's not conspiratoral thinking. It's plainly obvious if you go into the CalyxOS Matrix rooms that the leaders often spread misinformation about GrapheneOS or allow it to flourish. They also spread misinformation about CalyxOS to promote it, such as claiming signature spoofing has no security drawback as implemented on CalyxOS.

You don't see other OSes and projects spreading misinformation. Likewise, GrapheneOS doesn't attack LineageOS, /e/, etc. we don't discourage people from using them, except saying that yes, they are insecure, so be aware of that. We don't spread attacks and other projects are free to criticize GrapheneOS for legitimate things.

However, criticizing it for legitimate things is far different from concern trolling in the GrapheneOS rooms, getting banned, and then portraying it in the Calyx rooms as GrapheneOS being toxic, which is a common tactic. You can see this using the Logbot service: just look up "concern troll" in the GrapheneOS rooms, see what comes up, and compare it with the messages around the same time in the Calyx rooms. It's quite evident. Of course, I highly doubt you'll sincerely do that considering you're simply calling us paranoid, but to anyone watching that's what you should do.

>I have been on Hacker News a long time, posting on everything from sex worker rights to Telegram to Emacs. I don't know about your Matrix room, I've never visited it. I have no interest in impersonating anyone save myself.

No one said that you impersonated anyone. The point strcat brought about impersonation was that a person from the Calyx community went and impersonated the Bromite developer, attempting to start conflict between Bromite and GrapheneOS.

>I don't see that anywhere here in this thread. I see a thread that should have been a space for celebrating a cool more-private, more-secure Android project being hijacked because its competitor's lead developer believes themselves to be the target of a conspiracy. A conspiracy that isn't even occurring in the very thread they're engaged in:

CalyxOS isn't particularly secure but that's beside the point. That's not the issue and it's fine to not be security-focused. The issue is that the Calyx community and developers consistently spreads misinformation. Just look at what one of them is doing right now with microG.

>From who? Nobody here is doing this! Especially maliciously.

Says the person calling people paranoid for trying to stop misinformation being spread. You can see what people are doing in this thread whether maliciously or nonmaliciously.

>If you think CalyxOS is implementing a feature that is harming users, you might try and communicate with their community in a cooperative, direct way, rather than this self-destructive crusade GrapheneOS is airing publicly.

And people have, and they get banned from their community.

[tentacleuno]

> The point strcat brought about impersonation was that a person from the Calyx community went and impersonated the Bromite developer, attempting to start conflict between Bromite and GrapheneOS.

The chat logs[0] say different.

I don't see how one person joining a room on Telegram somehow implicates the whole project in some sort of conspiracy to attack / spread misinformation about Bromite or GrapheneOS.

[0]: https://github.com/bromite/bromite/discussions/1186#discussi...

[FieryBinary]

You can easily see that this person was welcomed in the rooms. No one went against it and the CalyxOS developers started going along with it.

[tentacleuno]

He was told to stop talking. Not sure what else there is to say.

[FieryBinary]

* the founder Nick participated in it, the developers didn't.