[rantwasp]

the line is crossed because if you store data in the cloud you kind of get that the provider might be force to give LE to it. It may or may not happen but if it's in the cloud technically it's out of your control.

Stuff running on your device OTOH, you have the illusion that you control it. It's YOUR physical device and technically you should be able to do whatever you want with it. Now, enter closed source software + walled gardens => you don't really control your device. You don't get a say on what's going on in it. Up until know we believed Apple would do the right thing. Well... Myth busted I guess.

[simondotau]

Turn off iCloud Photos and it won't run the surveillance. Seems reasonable that if you want to store your photos on someone else's hardware, they should get some say whether their hardware is used to store child porn.

[rantwasp]

seems reasonable? here’s the thing: you start with a clear cut case like cp and after that you add different things that, as a government, bother you. you’re in a totalitarian state faster than you can blink.

The turn off icloud argument also does not work. Who tells you they’re not going to keep pulling stunts like this? So the solution is: stop using Apple. Now what?

[simondotau]

> The turn off icloud argument also does not work.

Doesn't it? It worked on Android for the past seven years. Haven't heard anyone complain about the fact that Google has being doing pretty much the exact same thing to all photos uploaded to their cloud.

> So the solution is: stop using Apple.

Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and probably a dozen other major companies who didn't even consider it necessary to tell us.

[rantwasp]

stopped using Google, M$ and Facebook a long time ago. Guess it’s time for Apple to go.