[Chris2048]

You compare obligations to debt (which do have an upfront playout) but then state there is a benefit. How does that work with debt? Why would a jury of peers be a benefit, unless you assume positive bias? How does that work with the draft?

[Retric]

If you’re paying an electric bill the benefit associated with the debt was receiving electricity. How does that work with debt? For debt like a credit card bill it’s the money you spent when buying stuff etc. If you meant taxes then it’s government services already received, for example a strong military.

Why would a jury of peers be a benefit, unless you assume positive bias? It’s an option, you don’t need to be tried by your peers so you would only pick it if it’s better than being judged by a judge. That doesn’t mean it’s a positive bias, you might assume judges have a negative bias.

How does that work with the draft? Look at all the countries that have been invaded, compare them to countries that haven’t been. That’s the benefit of a strong military and the existence of the draft is part of that.

[Chris2048]

> it’s government services already received, for example a strong military

but you no longer benefit from the military and other services abroad?

> It’s an option, you don’t need to be tried by your peers

but you are obligated to jury duty, to the extent you have to pay to leave?

> Look at all the countries that have been invaded

all all the ones that haven't? Doesn't seem like a draft is needed.