[burself]

This Twitter AI lobbyist phenomenon is so weird. When did it become normal to give any attention to these "intellectual" types who seemingly don't do AI work but love to rave about it on Twitter with non-technical arguments?

LeCun just got rhetorically beat here because he's not a fucking rhetorician/lobbyist/politician like all "AI ethics" person.

[andreyk]

Just FYI, as I said in another comment in this case "many (senior) researchers agreed with Gebru's opposition to LeCun's original point - see tweets by Charles Isbel, yoavgo, Dirk Hovy embedded here https://thegradient.pub/pulse-lessons/ under 'On the Source of Bias in Machine Learning Systems' (warning - it takes a while to load). There was a civil back-and-forth between him and these other researchers as you can see in that post, so it was a point worth discussing. Gebru mostly did not participate in this beyond her initial tweets as far as I remember."

Also, for anyone who thinks Gebru does not have real credentials as an AI researcher, she did get her doctorate at Fei-Fei Li's lab at Stanford (which is now the lab I am part of), and did research at both Microsoft and Google and has co-authored papers with a variety of other well respected researchers. Just sayin', she's obviously not as senior as Lecun but let's not caricature her as if she has no expertise in this area.