[kasey_junk]

The only thing surprising about this is it happened in a tight labor market. Perhaps it isn’t tight for this industry/market?

I was in the room one time when HR decided to let go of 250 people based on the sq footage rate of the office they worked in. It’s not at all odd that in the post office world they are looking at other dumb metrics for these decisions.

[dilyevsky]

I don’t think labor market is as tight in the rest of the world rn as it is in the us. The immigration halt over last two years as well as insane equity growth really put upward pressure on comp and so some folks are in a bit of denial here. Not so much in eastern europe

[DevKoala]

The labor market isn’t tight when it comes to software. The overseas talent is incredible abroad and easy to work with once you have the experience.

As someone who works with multiple teams overseas (Belarus and Ukraine), I have certainly not experienced any issue replacing key team members here in the USA with members abroad. Yeah, sometimes I have to wake up at weird hours, but we get things done.

This approach has been so successful, that lately we only hire architect level engineers in the USA. For all other roles we prefer to hire abroad through specific consulting firms.

[kasey_junk]

Is that new? I’ve been involved with teams like that going back 20 years but when it gets hard to hire USA based devs it trickles down to those contractors too.

I’m not in a position to hire Eastern European contractors currently but do see how tight the market is otherwise and my experience would suggest increased contractor billing rates and/or more constraints on when you can dip into the contractor pool?