[swayvil]

Better to refer to an observation than a definition, when discussing real stuff. It's the more solid reference.

We can observe attention.

Can we observe this alternative to which you refer?

[mbfg]

No of course not. However, changing a definition away from what billions of people believe doesn't seem productive. If you want to talk about attention, cool, but call it attention. Most religious people don't consider the soul to be a synonym for attention.

It's similar to how some people want to redefine god as the universe. Ok, then just call it the universe, doing otherwise drags all kinds of assumptions and presuppositions that muddy the waters.

[swayvil]

Then you refer to a fantasy.

Billions are immersed in fantasy.

One might call that a classically religious debacle.

[mbfg]

I'm not saying that's what i believe. I don't believe a soul exists, or could exist. But I'm saying that's what billions of people believe. It doesn't help to redefine away a problem.

[swayvil]

I think "attention" fits pretty well.

I think the general population waves its hands and calls it a unicorn. So fuck em.

And you might be surprised at how centrally attention figures into the human experience