[kian]

In response to 'but its literally no different than having to get a vaccine to travel to certain countries', we literally (as in have a literal - written word - constitution) that explicitly prohibits the prevention of movement between the states in the same way that we do between countries.

There is a quite literal, and federally-mandated, difference.

You literally aren't even allowed to ask for someone's ID to cross internal US borders - but you think medical records, which contain just as much (if not more) personally-identifying information would be okay?

"Show me your papers, please."

[bern4444]

No one is suggesting preventing non New Yorkers from coming into New York. We only ask they respect our laws. People are always welcome to visit unhindered.

If they want the full NY experience which includes eating at a restaurant they must follow the laws in NY. One of these is paying the NY sales tax, not the sales tax of the state from which they're visiting. They also must comply with NY's vaccine requirements to eat at a restaurant.

If they don't want to, they're welcome to come and enjoy all the other activities that don't require proof of vaccination.

[tootie]

Think of it more like a drivers license. Proof that you have passed a written test, driving test and an eye exam. Includes your full name, home address, photo and DOB. The Excelsior Pass has less info than that. And will only be required for entering private property from which people can already be barred entry for arbitrary reasons.

[kian]

Again - you cannot require a driver's license to cross state lines. Precisely because you cannot be required to present that information in order to move about freely. As long as you aren't the person driving ;)

I understand that this is not inter-state travel, but at the same time you cannot be required to provide your identification by law enforcement or others without cause within them. It is not illegal to walk about without documentation as to who you are.

You aren't even required to show identification to walk into a tobacco or liquor store - only to purchase.

Certain government buildings, bars, clubs, and smoking lounges are the only exceptions I know of to this rule. There is no compelling reason to expand that list, nor the information they are allowed to request.

[bern4444]

You won't need to show a vaccine card to cross state lines, only to go out to eat.

Of course its okay to walk around without an ID, no one suggests otherwise. But if you go to a restaurant without an ID, and get carded you can't order your drink.

Is the restaurant obligated to serve you then? Absolutely not.

You can enter the state without a vaccine card, you just won't be able to enjoy eating out in all the incredible restaurants in the state.

[dragonwriter]

> Again - you cannot require a driver's license to cross state lines.

You can require a driver's license to drive on specified roads in the state, and you can apply that rule to out-of-state residents.

Similarly, you can require proof of vaccination at certain public venues, and apply thar rule to out-of-state residents.

[dragonwriter]

No one is suggesting requiring medical records at internal US borders (which, incidentally, the Constitution does not prohibit, though it doesn't allow states to unilaterally adopt such controls), so your entire argument