[Toutouxc]

Because dev experience isn't what my post was about. I don't agree with some of the ways Apple treats developers, but I mostly agree with how they treat users and I genuinely like (MacBook) or at least understand and respect (iPhone) their products.

[dandellion]

What happens when Apple stops being on fire, and you are trapped in their ecosystem and can't get out? I won't argue that Apple makes the nicest and most comfortable golden cuffs, but in the end they're still chains.

[arepublicadoceu]

> What happens when Apple stops being on fire, and you are trapped in their ecosystem and can't get out? I won't argue that Apple makes the nicest and most comfortable golden cuffs, but in the end they're still chains.

What are the options in the smartphone landscape? Please elaborate in a way that my elderly mother could use without 24h tech support from family members.

Android? And have instead of golden handcuffs a straight-out chain to serve the ads landlord? Yeah there's only a "choice" between the comfortable golden cuff of Apple and the being actively exploited by google. I know what to choose.

Obs. For anyone suggesting giving a de-googled lineage phone to my mother, just, please, don't.

[zapzupnz]

> For anyone suggesting giving a de-googled lineage phone to anybody who isn’t a technologist or doesn’t have days and days to spend tweaking a poorly-supported-outside-certain-jurisdictions device, just, please, don't.

ftfy. I get a bit fed up with seeing these things promoted. I’m from New Zealand, not the US or Europe. Where do I get one? Who fixes it when it buggers up? Why does it cost so dang much? Why is it such a slow piece of crap compared to my iPhone 11? etc.

[makeitdouble]

You are the one to judge what’s right for you. Now your grandmother would probably be fine with a Pixel phone, you are the one opposing it on principle. Same as how Chromebooks work well if basic tasks are your bread and butter.

To me Apple stopped being on fire for a while now, in particular as we switched from broken keyboard laptops to wonderful ARM laptops only available in small sizes with 2 usb ports. Also on principle Apple barring third party browser engines and game streaming are two huge no-go, in continuation to the selective ban on interpreted code which almost kills the editor ecosystem. Those handcuffs are not that golden, really.

[FabHK]

> trapped in their ecosystem

How so?

I think I could easily pull all my data out. Files are, well, files; contacts and calendars can be exported in standard formats; photos are stored as JPEG or raw; music is MPEG-4; e-books are epubs; whatever.

Sure, I'll lose some features, but that's because other platforms don't offer those features, not because Apple is heinously putting extra effort into locking up my data.

[makeitdouble]

> e-books are epubs

Are you sure ? I don’t use iBook but it doesn’t look to me like you can just export them as e-pubs and be done with it: https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-export-ibooks-from-iphone-...

[FabHK]

Not sure actually, I realised I have never bought a book from Apple. The books I have in Apple Books are all epubs though. So, the program can deal with that format, but not sure what format purchased books have.

[p2t2p]

That's an easy one. To answer your question you need to do to things.

- Try to export your photos from Google Photos

- Try to export you photos from Apple Photos

Let us compare those two, shall we?

Google Photos:

- stored in cloud

- no _synchronisation option_

- export exists but you loose metadata unless if you do it through API so third-party sync is not possible as well

Options to get your data back:

- Manually select all the photos in web ui and click download.

- Use google takeout option.

Apple Photos:

- Synchronisation. Go to settings and click checkbox "download everything to this Mac". Same for iPhone. Offline ready, your data is on your device.

- Export - just go menu and click "Export originals". It will conveniently organise your photos into files and folders. No internet connection required because the data _is already on your computer under your control_.

So, to answer your question. If Apple stops being on fire, I export my data in a single click and move it somewhere else if there's any option. But it will be sad day because I'm afraid that there will be no option, besides Apple the market is filled with liquid shit that treats users as cattle.

P.S. The example of photos works for everything else - my music library is synchronised and downloaded locally on multiple machines. If you've got Apple Music subscription you can drop anything in there and it'll upload it. Basically dropbox with UI of iTunes and Spotify on a side.

Same for iCloud Drive - it is downloaded locally. Heck, everything is downloaded locally, stored on my Macs and backed up with time machine. My data is under _my_ control when I go with Apple.

[imwillofficial]

Thats a users risk, not a devs

[ksec]

That is until you have Keyboard problem and Display problem from MacBook Pro 2016 where it was clearly a design defect.

[vasachi]

Apple will fix those for free, you know?

[ksec]

Keyboard is only up to three times inclusive of all your previous keyboard fix. Display is only available to 13" MacBook Pro and not 15".