[graderjs]

I think that some component of challenge is required to live an interesting life, keep you on your toes, and keep you close to living at your edge.

I think some people will invent challenges for themselves, even arbitrary looking ones, if they are otherwise unchallenged at the time, just to keep themselves engaged.

All kinds of things can pose significant challenges: relationships, learning a new language, travel (um, thanks 2020), a sport, yoga...other stuff that pushes you outside your comfortable zone and where you are in the space where you actually have to think, react, decide again, and where you have limited information and don't know.

I don't think you have to do this, but you can try it if you're looking for that "ah i feel bored, or just too comfortable I wanna do something" kind of vibe.

I think an advantage is you don't have to care: is this right for me? Is this what I want to do (bigpicture)? Just pick something you don't know how to do, and try it, and for some of those things you might end up caring about becoming good at it or overcoming the challenges of it. If you can't even care about finding something challenging or that you don't know, you probably have some sort of mental illness or unresolved emotional issues or inner work you need to face and simply are avoiding that or don't know how to deal with that, and then you need to process that yourself or with some counselling to try to sort that out. But sometimes pushing out of the zone, especially doing something physical like sport or yoga, brings that stuff up anyway. So there's many ways to get forward.

[xwolfi]

I moved to Hong Kong from France with a passable english and no cantonese.

Life is a constant challenge, it's really a fun life to live: the language gap in English can be overcome but not Cantonese, finding a partner in such a different culture is also a lot of fun, you can move flat within the blink of an eye where you need weeks of pre approval in France, so you're always moving around, jobs are so plentiful your own boss tells you you should move elsewhere and get a payraise he can't give you - so you double your salary every X years. And now, there's a game to play on politics with China !!!

Honestly, I feel everyday at the center of the world, am always constantly busy and never have enough money. I can't feel like it's normal life like it was before, it's like an adventure book everyday :D

[graderjs]

Yeah, man! There's so many jobs there and so many cool places to live and things to do. I totally agree. I also moved to HK from AU many years ago and found fun in those things. The language was so cool. I guess part of it was I felt AU was too boring and not enough challenge there, I'd already done all the cool stuff, so I may as well try someplace else and HK seemed so exciting and different. It was awesome. The rates I got there were unlike anything I got anywhere else :D But after a while I found it a bit too easy, so I suppose I sought challenge someplace else!!! I'll be back tho -- i think there's a whole other level at HK that I haven't touched yet and I really want to. :D

[martinmakesgame]

I feel like much of the time when people think about giving a challenge a go it relates to the external world. Sport, hobbies, a software project.

For people who have financial independence, what about mastery of our internal world, our thoughts and emotions? If we can feel joy most of the time and get enjoyment from what we do, by looking after ourselves and helping others and living well, I'm not sure what else there is?

[graderjs]

Yeah man that's a good idea. Like Maslow actualization hierarchy of needs. Somehow Marcus Aurelius meditations and stoics comes when you talk about that mastery. Could be one approach to it.