[thedravidian]

> I would say only the millennial generation onward do Indian citizens feel they belong to India

Most of the people in my state, and a lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India". India seems to expect us to fall to the ground and worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense, and we decline. We don't belong to anyone other than ourselves. Thank you.

[throwaway636536]

> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India"

Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. I'm from Karnataka (a southern state) and majority of kannadigas love India and are patriotic.

> worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense

Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I've lived in New Delhi for more than half of my childhood and I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor.

[thedravidian]

> Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu.

It is informative that you assume I am from Tamil Nadu. It tells us a lot about the underlying assumptions within your "views".

> Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense?

No one said that except for you. I'll try to simplify what I said since you had difficulty comprehending what I wrote. What I said was that I am opposed to those who worship "India's language is Hindi". Further, I am opposed to those "who worship Aryans". Surely I don't have to explain why "wheatish" supremacy and other similar nonsense is a bad thing?

> I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor.

Oh ho ho. Again, not something I said. You seem to have a great deal of imagination and are jousting against your imagined provocations instead of what I communicated.

[nondravidian]

> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India"

Speak for yourself. I am from Andhra Pradesh, settled in Telangana. Never have I heard your kind of bullshit, except from ultra-leftists on the web. I don't think you have a substantial minority (leave alone a majority) supporting your stand in TN!

[anonymous_i]

> worship "India's language is Hindi",

I think , what he is trying to say is, ascribing a single language to a diversified nation like India is not a good idea.

> Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense?

Free speech.LoL.I am not saying OP is right or is following HN etiquette, but that it is OP's opinion(not fact, not truth).

> I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor.

Bihar is the most uneducated state in the country. Kolkata is a terrible to place to conduct business of any kind. Although , this is not representative of the North.

But what is North anyway ? Should we consider anything above Madhya Pradesh North ? Does Gujarat count as North ? Does Mizoram count as North ?

[short_sells_poo]

> Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense?

I believe the parent didn't call the North Indian language and religion nonsense. They argue against the attempts to make all the diverse ethnic groups/regions fall in line behind some centrally mandated language and religion.

They actually argue for the diversity and autonomy of the various groups to maintain their language and traditions, which is hard to disagree with (as an outsider).

The history of trying to repress religions and ethnic groups is long and bloody, no matter where we look on the globe.

[phekunde]

> Why do you believe that north indian language are nonsense?

Hindi language should first correct the pronunciation of words like "Baink" for Bank, "Baal" for Ball, "Daaktar" for Doctor etc. And then thinking of enforcing that language on rest of the country.

I am curious, why Samskrut is not used as a common language for India, like how Hebrew resurrected as a language of Israel? With English as second language, and mother-tongue as the the third language. Samskrut has a treasure trove of important literature that not many in India understand!

[foolinaround]

the Jews were a people group, there is no such as 'Indian', there is nothing to resurrect since it never existed in the first place.

[throw13579]

'Indian' is the same as 'Bharatiya'[1], which is as old as human civilization gets.

And I agree with OP that Sanskrit should be revived in India like the Jews did for Hebrew in Israel.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_India#Bh%C4%81rata

[eklavya]

Tall claims by a deranged hater.

There is always some idiot spewing vitriol by bringing up north/west/east/south/up/down. The whole culture of south India IS India. What the fuck are all those Jurassic old temples there for? Built by all South Indian kings. For fucks sake Tamil the language is born of Lord Shiva(North Indian, just kidding) taught to sage Agastya on which this whole hate mongering language movement started by the stupid Aryan/Dravidian theory.

Why I bring up Tamil? Because your username is the stupid movement started to grab power. Is there a South Indian shiva who is different from the North Indian shiva?

What is the Indian culture? What is the South Indian culture? Except the million languages found in India what major difference were there for religious or cultural purposes?

This hate is what leads to the so called Dalit leader take up the name of a rapist Brahmin (Ravan). Haters gonna hate.

[foolinaround]

From your writing above, I can see you are not from Tamil Nadu and that you need to educate yourself more.

Would it blow your mind if I told you that Shiva (or Vishnu) was not even worshipped by Tamils or in the ancient literature till it was brought in from the north?

The real religion of the Tamils is akin to ancestor worshi. Later, all the religions started invading and setting up roots ( actually Buddhism/Jainism took roots before current Hinduism came down ).

[eklavya]

That seems to be patently false. The oldest Tamil literature is Sangam literature (except Tolkāppiyam which is about grammar and contains influences from people all around India) which also contains poems for Vishnu, shiva, Durga. Buddhism and Jainism came way later.

[foolinaround]

AFAIK, Shiva is not mentioned at all in Sangam literature. The gods in both these cultures had similarities and a synthesis happened down the road.

for example, Murugan was the primary god and later assimilated with Shiva etc.

[tw123]

Those who tell you: - "India's language is Hindi" - "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" - and other similar things

are a pain in the neck not just for you but for everyone they will be in touch with. They will keep on creating new propaganda(just like the points above) targeted towards different groups of people so that they can annoy you and remain trending. Please keep in mind that they are not "India".

[throwaway258]

Speak for yourself buddy. I am a ಕನ್ನಡಿಗ and Indian.

[chakkepolja]

> India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism

This seems very short sighted.

From an objective historical standpoint, the current Hinduism is no more 'Aryan' than it's 'Dravidian' or 'Indigineous'.

The Rig Vedic dieties which share origins with Nordic, Greek or other Indo European mythology are not the central point of the Hinduism since the middle ages. The present rituals and systems evolved over, 3000+ years, shaped by various political forces, most of which was never documented and we will never know.

The "North Indian == Aryan" was wording used in Tamil Nadu politics that's why people in comments are assuming your from there.

Your point is correct that current Nationalist side of politics is pushing some views in order to unify their voter base. (I don't want to talk about politics on a nerd forum.)

The only thing more "Aryan" about Hindu nationalism is they want to claim this historically baseless OIT theory (as if anything that comes from outside is impure and bad).

[to non indians reading this, the word Aryan refers to slightly different meaning than held in the west, while we are talking about same indo european bronze age peoples, both theories (Nazism or Periyar's Dravidianism), are pseudoscience shit.

[satwick1995]

Yet another problem arising due to complete, non-opposed belief in AIT.

[_blz2]

This type of baiting belongs on reddit and not on HN. @dang

[throw13579]

True. HN isn't the right place for this flame war.

[phekunde]

Looks like the movie theaters are not yet open in Tamil Nadu!

[sameerds]

I wonder how many will catch on to that "ghati" username! Good one, though!

[phekunde]

So finally, someone did catch it ;)

[throw13579]

you're just upset because the LTTE terrorist organization was wiped out.