[grumblenum]

A Malthusian crisis has been “imminent” since the 19th century. I think that you should try writing down what facts you think support the a priori assumption that our sinful ways are leading us to a future, sudden disaster. I don’t think you will find much evidence that isn’t traceable to popular opinion. Sorry, fam, it’s just Puritanism for the modern age.

[Fricken]

Some guy in the 19th century made a bad prediction and that's your rationale for dismissing climate change?

[goodpoint]

Are you saying that climate change, ocean depletion, soil depletion, desertification, plastic pollution and food shortage are not real?

[chrisco255]

We don't have a food shortage. Crop yields and agricultural productivity are at all time human civilizational highs.

[agumonkey]

This is a fragile argument. Systems can often be at peak before crashing.

[chrisco255]

It's a factual argument. Our civilization has been peaking in agricultural productivity decade after decade for 200 years. Your hypothetical argument is not statistically likely. Sure, on a long enough time frame some natural disaster will occur that causes a crisis, but the fundamental mechanics of photosynthesis and ag science aren't going anywhere.

[meiraleal]

The population growth trend proves OP point.

[TeMPOraL]

No, it doesn't. It still levels off way above what was the carrying capacity of Earth before the "Green Revolution" - and the systems maintaining our food production are unsustainable. We extract surplus food from the ground by destroying the ability to grow more food in the future.

[TeMPOraL]

It was, and it was postponed several times through technological means, at the cost of widespread environmental degradation. The underlying logic of the prediction is still sound.

It's like someone is warning you that, with your current spending patterns, you'll go broke in a year. You come to them five years later, showing off your fancy new car and talking about vacations, defying their "alarmist predictions", conveniently omitting the fact that in those five years, you've maxed out on all your credit cards and every possible loan anyone would give you.

No, the crisis is still ahead, and will hit us that much harder unless we work quickly to make our economy sustainable.

[i_d_rather_read]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusianism has been widely criticized for its incorrect predictions and ties into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecofascism and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics