| > Who cares "what I said before". Because it's really hard to talk about whether a product is fraudulent or not if the list of problems keeps changing. > Claiming "we have a truck that can do all this" and can't is not that far away from claiming "we have a working truck" when you don't. To an extent, yes. With the huge caveat that production cost is not something a truck 'does'. > So you don't even know, you're guessing. I'm going by the best news articles I could find on short notice. If you have better, link it. I don't think it's reasonable to demand I go do physical tours before I can talk about the subject. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-solar-insight/insid... "In California, the nation’s leading solar market, there were twelve Tesla roof systems connected to the grid as of May 31" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFWKVraGI1E "Tesla Solar Roof - 100 Days After Installation" > They literally installed fake roofs that didn't function on a Hollywood neighbourhood set piece, then bought the company who claimed to be able to make these (a related party) within days. Is that much different than rolling a truck down a hill to raise money? So with this I was able to find some info. It's true, there was a fake demo of a particular kind of tile. But the product does exist now. Your claim that it still doesn't exist is just wrong. It's also important to note that they had different-looking tiles that already worked, and by the time they took preorders it looks like things were working. So that's bad, but it's not on the same level as nikola. > Not sure about you, but slapping an inferior product together, years later at a higher price, that isn't what you demonstrated when you took the money, is fraudulent If you charge more than you promised, yes. That's different from being unable to meet the originally planned production cost on something. If you let people cancel orders, which tesla appears to be doing, it's not fraud. > the battery swap (earned millions in subsidies from California), which also was not a feasible technology with a faked demonstration Wow, that's pretty bad! Thanks for the info, I'll bring it up to people in the future. Still not on par with a fake product though. > Boy, you were pretty quiet when people were accusing me of trolling and being a shortseller above, eh. Why is that? I don't respond to every comment that is rude to a third party. Almost none of them, really. > Interesting how your preconceived biases can lead you to conclusions that are in fact the opposite of reality. Fancy that. You're making wild assumptions about what I believe and getting them wrong. Fancy that. And you do/did come off a bit like a troll in some of your comments. |